Re: [Discuss-sudbury-model] SCHOOLED

From: Tay Arrow Sherman <>
Date: Thu Jul 20 17:11:00 2006

Scott, I totally agree. For this reason I wonder how it will impact
certain issues, for example: who is drawn to Sudbury-model schools, and
what kinds of misconceptions do they have about them? Will any Sudbury
schools ever receive state funding (if that is at all a goal of the
school), and how seriously will anyone take us if they have this
particular type of false image?

I never thought of SVS as having "no rules", because that's obviously
way untrue. In fact there are probably a lot more rules in many ways...
you just don't tend to notice them as much because, well, they MAKE
SENSE. By "no rules" I think I was more referring to the erroneous way
in which people always seemed to view SVS, which irritated me as I can
see it does you.

When I was trying to get in to SVS, and my parents were debating the
affordability of it all, my public school told me that I qualified for
a publicly funded education at one of several private 'alternative'
schools, and that SVS was one of them, but they didn't want to send me
or anyone else there because "the kids are just hanging out the windows
there, and we don't like to encourage it". The phrase "hanging out the
windows" was spoke with that kind of disgusted emphasis that people
usually reserve for cursing.

Consequently, the school I attended for the first half of my sophomore
year in high school was the Arlington School, a school for children
with serious mental health challenges, where kids were occasionally
removed from classrooms in 8 point restraint and taken up to McLean
Mental Hospital. I once saw a teacher call a student a "stupid little
b*tch" there, in front of the rest of the class. Apparently, this was
the place that the commonwealth of Massachusetts considered "more

This was in 1993 or 1994, I think.

On 20 Jul, 2006, at 16.40, Scott David Gray wrote:

> Just saw the trailer:
> XJ&sdn=movies&
> d%2Faccepted_trlr1_300k_wmv.asx
> So, Tay, it left me wondering...
> You went to a school with "no rules"? To a school created for the
> purpose of providing degrees and letters for people who are having
> trouble getting such notes through the traditional means? What school
> was this?
> The trailer in no way suggests any Sudbury Model school I know!
> 1: At Sudbury Model schools, rule of law plays a *much* more vital
> role than at any "traditional" school. In large part because, written
> rules that any person can point to are the best means to protect
> individual rights and equality.
> 2: Sudbury Model schools which *do* offer diplomas tend to be much
> more rigorous (though by very different standards) than traditional
> schools. In large part because of the fear of becoming a diploma mill.
> And in part because grades and gold stars in any form are anathema to
> what we believe.
> Also, Sudbury schools are not places where students "choose what to
> learn." They are places where students have liberty to decide
> *what*to*do*. Sudbury schools work off of the assumption that living
> one's life is itself fulfilling, and that learning happens sort of
> automatically *whatever* a person is doing (such is the nature of the
> human animal). Sudbury schools try to provide a rich and pleasant
> environment for people to fulfil themselves.
> I am afraid that this trailer looks like it describes a film which, in
> the wider community, will only spread and further the popular
> assumptions about schooling that lead Sudbury schools to be *badly*
> misrepresented and *badly* misunderstood. Misconceptions that we
> *already* work our arses off to dispel, with only limited success.
> I don't think that *any* comparison between a Sudbury school and that
> movie as advertised will bode well for *any* Sudbury school. It is a
> mistaken, and damaging comparison.
> On 1/1/70, Tay Arrow Sherman <> wrote:
>> Hey, now that y'all have reminded me...
>> I was curious what other people involved in Sudbury-model schooling
>> thought about "Accepted", which I saw a preview for last week when I
>> went to see the pirate movie.
>> It was so weird in the theatre, because it is obviously a zany sort of
>> "what if" movie, like, "What if the impossible happened and a school
>> with no rules or classes came to exist on the impetus of students and
>> without 'adult' supervision?" MADNESS ENSUES!
>> Only, like, that's where I went to school, in real life. Has anyone
>> else seen this preview? How do you think a mainstream movie like this
>> will affect our community?
>> By the way, "Schooled" sounds pretty rad. Thanks for posting.
>> Peace,
>> Tay
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