Re: [Discuss-sudbury-model] Re: Introduction, reopening the encouragement/enticement debate

From: Tay Arrow Sherman <>
Date: Wed Jun 14 19:57:00 2006

I think people, kids especially, can tell when someone is trying to
kind of "trick" them into doing something, and when the person is just
talking about a subject or doing something because that, at the moment,
is their passion. It's the same as how, sometimes, you can tell someone
is watching you. I believe this is a survival mechanism for kids. So I
agree that intent is very important.

I also think any Sudbury school will be small enough that even if not
all the kids know the specialities of all the staffers, at the very
least the staffers will know this of each other. Then, all it takes is
a kid drumming on the table with the sides of their fingers, and a
staffer walking by and saying, "You know, Caren plays African rhythms
on the djembe, and it's pretty cool, you guys would probably enjoy
talking about drumming!" I learned a lot this way at SVS.


On 14 Jun, 2006, at 12.28, Caren Knox-Hundley wrote:

> I am not part of an SV school, but we do unschool. I do know the
> inherent differences, but one thing I have given thought to is how
> *authentic* our lives are. I play West African rhythms on the djembe
> - this is something I love to do. In a school setting, I would hope
> (as a staff member) that I would have the time and opportunity to play
> - because I love to play and want to practice, not because I wanted to
> entice anyone to ask me to teach them. Does intent have anything to
> do with it? It *feels* different to me. I'm thinking of a setting
> where everyone - staff and students - are given space and time to
> pursue what they wish. That feels more real to me - more authentic -
> than setting up my drum in a courtyard, playing because I want someone
> to *want* to learn.
> My kids are quick to pick up on anything that feels forced - last
> fall, they were watching some PBS show - DragonTales? maybe - and they
> said, "Oh, NO! They turned educational!" which meant that rather than
> people just conversing on the show, they had added songs, etc., which
> were supposed to "teach" some concept. They can feel the difference.
> We live our lives, doing things that occur naturally in the flow of
> our day. There are not things or times set aside to "learn" or
> "teach". It just is.
> Just rambling, here...
> Caren
> in Charlotte, NC
> On Jun 14, 2006, at 4:02 PM, Dr. Evan Hughes wrote:
>> Dear Mike,
>> You already posted my first thought, which is that it's a very
>> thin line between
>> manipulation and encouragement in such a case (I believe the word you
>> used was
>> dangerous.)
>> My second thought however is that kids learn about what's around
>> them.
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