[Discuss-sudbury-model] RE: Discuss-sudbury-model digest, Vol 1 #339 - 12 msgs

From: Marc en Sandra <marc.san_at_tiscali.be>
Date: Wed Jan 18 18:32:01 2006

Hi,
Thank you all so much for your speedy replies to my question, it is
wonderful to feel this sense of commitment!
Especially for Eva from De Ruimte in The Netherlands: yes, I am aware of the
meeting of the Platform of Democratic Schools this Saturday. I wanted to
attend very much, but I can't come this weekend. Anyhow, I'm in touch with
the people of Sudbury Gent and Sudbury Lier who will be there, they will
tell me about it. I'm sure we will meet in the future! I've been reading on
your website and would like to visit.
(Sorry to you all to abuse the forum for personal messages!).
Sandra

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Today's Topics:

   1. Sudval school in Marrietta, Ga Attn: Shelli Buhr (Dashell Singh)
   2. Re: Published, LA Times re school attendance incentives
(JMMancasola_at_aol.com)
   3. Re: Published, LA Times re school
       attendance incentives (Sally Rosloff)
   4. Re: Published, LA Times re school attendance incentives (Mimsy
Sadofsky)
   5. Re: Published, LA Times re school
       attendance incentives (Sally Rosloff)
   6. Re: Published, LA Times re school attendance incentives
(JMMancasola_at_aol.com)
   7. scientific backing of Sudbury (Marc en Sandra)
   8. Re: scientific backing of Sudbury (David Rovner)
   9. Response to Sandra (Robin Jackson)
  10. RE: scientific backing of Sudbury (Eva Lobach)

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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 21:49:38 -0800 (PST)
From: Dashell Singh <learningfreegarden_at_yahoo.com>
To: discuss-sudbury-model_at_sudval.org
Subject: [Discuss-sudbury-model] Sudval school in Marrietta, Ga Attn:
Shelli Buhr
Reply-To: discuss-sudbury-model_at_sudval.org

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Hi, sorry for having to reply to everyone as I try to get in touch with
Shelli Buhr... I would be interested in contact info for the Sudval school
in Marrietta, GA. Feel free to contact me directly:
learningfreegarden_at_yahoo.com.

  I look forward to hearing from you soon!

  Thank you,
  Shell

  P.S. Happy New Year, Everyone!!!

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Message: 2
From: JMMancasola_at_aol.com
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 02:07:52 EST
Subject: Re: [Discuss-sudbury-model] Published, LA Times re school
attendance incentives
To: discuss-sudbury-model_at_sudval.org
Reply-To: discuss-sudbury-model_at_sudval.org

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In the forementioned response to an LA Times article, Sally Rosloff wrote:
"Want to make sure attendance is as high as possible? Make it optional..."

At the risk of opening an old can of worms...is attendance optional at some
of the sudbury schools? As a parent of an unschooling family, I
questioned
the compulsory attendance policies of sudbury schools in an earlier thread
on
this discuss-sudbury-model list, and got a lot of responses saying that
compulsory attendance was an importantant element in creating a positive
"school
culture" and so forth.

Are some of the sudbury schools having success with optional attendance
policies?
I am hoping to hear this is so!

Thanks for any responses,
Molly Mancasola

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 LA Times article, Sally Rosloff wrote: <BR>
"Want to make sure attendance is as high as possible? Make it
optional..."<B=
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<BR>
At the risk of opening an old can of worms...is attendance optional at
some=20=
of the sudbury schools?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; As a parent of an unschooling
fami=
ly, I questioned the compulsory attendance policies of sudbury schools in
an=
 earlier thread on this discuss-sudbury-model list, and got a lot of
respons=
es saying that compulsory attendance was an importantant element in
creating=
 a positive "school culture" and so forth.&nbsp; <BR>
<BR>
Are some of the sudbury schools having success with optional attendance
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I am hoping to hear this is so!<BR>
<BR>
Thanks for any responses, <BR>
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 08:41:04 -0800
To: discuss-sudbury-model_at_sudval.org
From: Sally Rosloff <sallyr_at_socal.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Discuss-sudbury-model] Published, LA Times re school
  attendance incentives
Reply-To: discuss-sudbury-model_at_sudval.org

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Molly,
I followed the earlier thread although I didn't post. Here's my
thinking...in the letter I wanted to get as many ideas in as few words as
possible out there so I didn't go into detail. But what I'm suggesting is
that attendance not be controlled, made mandatory, by the
government. Rather the school members, by democratic process, would choose
their own attendance policies...which of course could range all the way
from completely optional to a certain number of hours mandated to some mix
of the two...whatever the community debates, votes on, tries out and
decides it is satisfied with.

Sally

At 02:07 AM 1/3/2006 -0500, you wrote:
>In the forementioned response to an LA Times article, Sally Rosloff wrote:
>"Want to make sure attendance is as high as possible? Make it optional..."
>
>At the risk of opening an old can of worms...is attendance optional at
>some of the sudbury schools? As a parent of an unschooling family, I
>questioned the compulsory attendance policies of sudbury schools in an
>earlier thread on this discuss-sudbury-model list, and got a lot of
>responses saying that compulsory attendance was an importantant element in
>creating a positive "school culture" and so forth.
>
>Are some of the sudbury schools having success with optional attendance
>policies?
>I am hoping to hear this is so!
>
>Thanks for any responses,
>Molly Mancasola

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<html>
Molly,<br>
I followed the earlier thread although I didn't post.&nbsp; Here's my
thinking...in the letter I wanted to get as many ideas in as few words as
possible out there so I didn't go into detail.&nbsp; But what I'm
suggesting is that attendance not be controlled, made mandatory, by the
government.&nbsp; Rather the school members, by democratic process, would
choose their own attendance policies...which of course could range all
the way from completely optional to a certain number of hours mandated to
some mix of the two...whatever the community debates, votes on, tries out
and decides it is satisfied with.<br><br>
Sally<br><br>
At 02:07 AM 1/3/2006 -0500, you wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite><font size=2>In the forementioned
response to an LA Times article, Sally Rosloff wrote: <br>
&quot;Want to make sure attendance is as high as possible? Make it
optional...&quot;<br><br>
At the risk of opening an old can of worms...is attendance optional at
some of the sudbury schools?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; As a parent of an
unschooling family, I questioned the compulsory attendance policies of
sudbury schools in an earlier thread on this discuss-sudbury-model list,
and got a lot of responses saying that compulsory attendance was an
importantant element in creating a positive &quot;school culture&quot;
and so forth.&nbsp; <br><br>
Are some of the sudbury schools having success with optional attendance
policies?<br>
I am hoping to hear this is so!<br><br>
Thanks for any responses, <br>
Molly Mancasola</font><font face="arial"> </font></blockquote></html>

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Message: 4
From: Mimsy Sadofsky <mimsys_at_comcast.net>
To: discuss-sudbury-model_at_sudval.org
Subject: Re: [Discuss-sudbury-model] Published, LA Times re school
attendance incentives
Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 21:14:01 -0500
Reply-To: discuss-sudbury-model_at_sudval.org

In many states, including Massachusetts, parents are obligated to send
their children to school on a very regular basis, unless they are
homeschoolers. The onus is on the parents way before the schools make
decisions about whether or not that like attendance policies.

Mimsy

On Tue, 03 Jan 2006 08:41:04 -0800, you wrote:

>Molly,
>I followed the earlier thread although I didn't post. Here's my
>thinking...in the letter I wanted to get as many ideas in as few words as
>possible out there so I didn't go into detail. But what I'm suggesting is
>that attendance not be controlled, made mandatory, by the
>government. Rather the school members, by democratic process, would choose
>their own attendance policies...which of course could range all the way
>from completely optional to a certain number of hours mandated to some mix
>of the two...whatever the community debates, votes on, tries out and
>decides it is satisfied with.
>
>Sally
>
>At 02:07 AM 1/3/2006 -0500, you wrote:
>>In the forementioned response to an LA Times article, Sally Rosloff wrote:
>>"Want to make sure attendance is as high as possible? Make it optional..."
>>
>>At the risk of opening an old can of worms...is attendance optional at
>>some of the sudbury schools? As a parent of an unschooling family, I
>>questioned the compulsory attendance policies of sudbury schools in an
>>earlier thread on this discuss-sudbury-model list, and got a lot of
>>responses saying that compulsory attendance was an importantant element in
>>creating a positive "school culture" and so forth.
>>
>>Are some of the sudbury schools having success with optional attendance
>>policies?
>>I am hoping to hear this is so!
>>
>>Thanks for any responses,
>>Molly Mancasola

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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 18:58:19 -0800
To: discuss-sudbury-model_at_sudval.org
From: Sally Rosloff <sallyr_at_socal.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Discuss-sudbury-model] Published, LA Times re school
  attendance incentives
Reply-To: discuss-sudbury-model_at_sudval.org

Hi Mimsy,
Yes, well, that's what I'm talking about...that currently states decide on
whether school attendance is mandatory but I'd like to see government
entities out of the business of having that power and attendance
requirements be decided by each particular school. Sorry if that wasn't
clear.
Sally

At 09:14 PM 1/3/2006 -0500, you wrote:
>In many states, including Massachusetts, parents are obligated to send
>their children to school on a very regular basis, unless they are
>homeschoolers. The onus is on the parents way before the schools make
>decisions about whether or not that like attendance policies.
>
>Mimsy
>
>On Tue, 03 Jan 2006 08:41:04 -0800, you wrote:
>
> >Molly,
> >I followed the earlier thread although I didn't post. Here's my
> >thinking...in the letter I wanted to get as many ideas in as few words as
> >possible out there so I didn't go into detail. But what I'm suggesting
is
> >that attendance not be controlled, made mandatory, by the
> >government. Rather the school members, by democratic process, would
choose
> >their own attendance policies...which of course could range all the way
> >from completely optional to a certain number of hours mandated to some
mix
> >of the two...whatever the community debates, votes on, tries out and
> >decides it is satisfied with.
> >
> >Sally
> >
> >At 02:07 AM 1/3/2006 -0500, you wrote:
> >>In the forementioned response to an LA Times article, Sally Rosloff
wrote:
> >>"Want to make sure attendance is as high as possible? Make it
optional..."
> >>
> >>At the risk of opening an old can of worms...is attendance optional at
> >>some of the sudbury schools? As a parent of an unschooling family, I
> >>questioned the compulsory attendance policies of sudbury schools in an
> >>earlier thread on this discuss-sudbury-model list, and got a lot of
> >>responses saying that compulsory attendance was an importantant element
in
> >>creating a positive "school culture" and so forth.
> >>
> >>Are some of the sudbury schools having success with optional attendance
> >>policies?
> >>I am hoping to hear this is so!
> >>
> >>Thanks for any responses,
> >>Molly Mancasola
>
>_______________________________________________
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Message: 6
From: JMMancasola_at_aol.com
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 13:35:24 EST
Subject: Re: [Discuss-sudbury-model] Published, LA Times re school
attendance incentives
To: discuss-sudbury-model_at_sudval.org
Reply-To: discuss-sudbury-model_at_sudval.org

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Sally wrote:

"Yes, well, that's what I'm talking about...that currently states decide on
whether school attendance is mandatory but I'd like to see government
entities out of the business of having that power and attendance
requirements be decided by each particular school."

I think there are some states in which a school could allow more freedom to
its students regarding attendance policies. I'd like to hear more about
sudbury model schools who have decided that frequency of attendance should
be left
up to each individual student. Are there any? Molly

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<HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><HTML><FONT SIZE=3D2 PTSIZE=3D10 FAMILY=
=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">Sally wrote:<BR>
<BR>
"Yes, well, that's what I'm talking about...that currently states decide
on=20=
<BR>
whether school attendance is mandatory but I'd like to see government <BR>
entities out of the business of having that power and attendance <BR>
requirements be decided by each particular school."<BR>
<BR>
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to=20=
its students regarding attendance policies.&nbsp; I'd like to hear more
abou=
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should=
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<BR=
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Message: 7
From: "Marc en Sandra" <marc.san_at_tiscali.be>
To: <discuss-sudbury-model_at_sudval.org>
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 11:02:20 +0100
Subject: [Discuss-sudbury-model] scientific backing of Sudbury
Reply-To: discuss-sudbury-model_at_sudval.org

Hi,
I'm a member of a new startup group in Brussels (Belgium), we would like to
create a Sudbury school in our area and are working hard on this. One of the
things coming up in the process is: have any scientific studies been
conducted on the positive effects on children of Sudbury education (I mean,
in terms of learning success, socialization, development of responsibility,
values, anything). We as starters feel certain enough about the enormous
potential of Sudbury for our kids, but there is of course 'the others':
critical outsiders, anxious and doubting parents, and especially local
education authorities to whom we will have to go and explain about our
project somewhere in the near future. It would be a great help if we could
provide some outside evidence that 'Sudbury works' and not only our own
conviction.
I also see this in a lager sense: in fact I am gathering material from
psychologists and other scientists that supports the ideas that are
fundamental to Sudbury (e.g. concepts of 'learned helplessness' and
'intrinsic motivation', publications of John Holt etc.).
Does anyone have any interesting information about this?
Thanks in advance,
Sandra Roobaert

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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 15:45:27 +0200
From: David Rovner <rovners_at_netvision.net.il>
Subject: Re: [Discuss-sudbury-model] scientific backing of Sudbury
To: discuss-sudbury-model_at_sudval.org
Reply-To: discuss-sudbury-model_at_sudval.org

Dear Sandra,

I think you should reformulate your request. Can you give scientific backing
to a "regular" school ?
I think a good or a bad education and/or schooling are very difficult things
to demonstrate scientifically if at all.
It is more of a social and philosophical approach. Still there have been
some attempts to find out the effects on children of Sudbury education. For
instance, "Legacy of Trust: Life After the Sudbury Valley School
Experience," or "The Pursuit of Happiness: The Lives of Sudbury Valley
Alumni" -- "what becomes of students who attended Sudbury Valley as they
pursue their lives as adults? This book explores the lives of former
students who spent their formative years at the school. It examines in depth
their values, their character, and their careers, drawing extensively on
their own words. A unique contribution to the literature that evaluates
schools and educational philosophies."

See: http://www.sudval.org/02_book_06.html .
I would also suggest to take a look at, http://www.educationfutures.org/ ,
for instance.

Cheers,
~ David

----- Original Message -----
From: "Marc en Sandra" <marc.san_at_tiscali.be>
To: <discuss-sudbury-model_at_sudval.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 12:02 PM
Subject: [Discuss-sudbury-model] scientific backing of Sudbury

>
> Hi,
> I'm a member of a new startup group in Brussels (Belgium), we would like
to
> create a Sudbury school in our area and are working hard on this. One of
the
> things coming up in the process is: have any scientific studies been
> conducted on the positive effects on children of Sudbury education (I
mean,
> in terms of learning success, socialization, development of
responsibility,
> values, anything). We as starters feel certain enough about the enormous
> potential of Sudbury for our kids, but there is of course 'the others':
> critical outsiders, anxious and doubting parents, and especially local
> education authorities to whom we will have to go and explain about our
> project somewhere in the near future. It would be a great help if we could
> provide some outside evidence that 'Sudbury works' and not only our own
> conviction.
> I also see this in a lager sense: in fact I am gathering material from
> psychologists and other scientists that supports the ideas that are
> fundamental to Sudbury (e.g. concepts of 'learned helplessness' and
> 'intrinsic motivation', publications of John Holt etc.).
> Does anyone have any interesting information about this?
> Thanks in advance,
> Sandra Roobaert

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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 07:26:57 -0800 (PST)
From: Robin Jackson <emilyrobin54_at_yahoo.com>
To: Discuss-sudbury-model_at_sudval.org
Subject: [Discuss-sudbury-model] Response to Sandra
Reply-To: discuss-sudbury-model_at_sudval.org

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 Hi, Sandra,
  I thought I would recommend a resource list I compiled for "Mothering
Magazine." It includes all kinds of "materials...that (support) the ideas
that are fundamental to Sudbury..." The article that accompanies this
resource list is also online (appeared in "Mothering" July/August 2005).
See the links below. My list was originally directed to parents who were on
the fence about whether to "unschool" as opposed to bringing a version of
public school into the home, but the list itself really isn't limited to
the question of homeschooling, but is much more broadly conceived. I hope
this helps.
  Robin

  http://www.looksmarthealth.com/p/articles/mi_m0838/is_131/ai_n14867833
http://www.mothering.com/articles/growing_child/education/homeschooling-reso
urces.html

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<div id="RTEContent">&nbsp;Hi, Sandra,<br> I thought I would recommend a
resource list I compiled for "Mothering Magazine." It includes all kinds of
"materials...that (support) the ideas that are fundamental to Sudbury..."
The article that accompanies this resource list is also online (appeared in
"Mothering" July/August 2005). See the links below. My list was originally
directed to parents who were on the fence about whether to "unschool" as
opposed to bringing a version of public school into the home, but the list
itself really isn't limited to the question of homeschooling, but is much
more broadly conceived. I hope this helps.<br> Robin<br> <br>
http://www.looksmarthealth.com/p/articles/mi_m0838/is_131/ai_n14867833
http://www.mothering.com/articles/growing_child/education/homeschooling-reso
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Message: 10
From: "Eva Lobach" <e.lobach_at_chello.nl>
To: <discuss-sudbury-model_at_sudval.org>
Subject: RE: [Discuss-sudbury-model] scientific backing of Sudbury
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 17:21:23 +0100
Reply-To: discuss-sudbury-model_at_sudval.org

Hi Sandra,

a warm hello from someone involved in De Ruimte, one of the sudbury-type
schools in Netherlands.

Since about a year we have established a contact with researchers at the
University of Leiden here in The Netherlands, who are very interested in our
school.
Very recently (ink is still wet) a first study is completed that shows that
in terms of well-being, kids at our school have much less complaints like
headaches, feeling tired, belly aches, etc.

More studies are planned.

In our situation in The Netherlands, where the government and its
representatives respond with panic and suppression to a democratic school
like ours, it seems very important to establish goodwill and enthusiasm
among scientists and others who might help to reassure the powers-that-be of
the innocence and even advantages of our approach to learning and education.

Being a scientist myself (though not in education), I feel that it is a good
idea to try to establish the quality of various forms of education, whether
"regular" or not. Granted, it is not straightforward, but it is a good
exercise in itself to establish what abilities and knowledge young adults
preferably have when they leave the school. Presumably, at that point in
their life they have become effective members of the society. This exercise
makes you reflect on how a school can help or hinder this development into
an effective adult, reasoning from the goal backwards to what it needs to
get there.
If in addition it turns out to be possible to show reliably whether a school
'delivers' these effective adults at graduation or not, we will be able to
evaluate different approaches and etablish which one is the most helpful.
This, it seems to me, is very valuable knowledge for students, parents, and
governments alike.

Eva Lobach

De Ruimte, Soest, The Netherlands

ps. Sandra, are you aware that there will be a meeting of the recently
erected Dutch "Platform of Democratic Schools" this Saturday in The
Netherlands. You can download an invitation here:
http://www.democratischescholen.nl/documenten/uitnodiging20060121.doc
The results of the study I mentioned above will be presented at this
meeting. We're hoping to build our network further and mutual collaboration
could be helpful to us both.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: discuss-sudbury-model-admin_at_sudval.org [mailto:discuss-sudbury-
> model-admin_at_sudval.org] On Behalf Of David Rovner
> Sent: woensdag 18 januari 2006 14:45
> To: discuss-sudbury-model_at_sudval.org
> Subject: Re: [Discuss-sudbury-model] scientific backing of Sudbury
>
>
> Dear Sandra,
>
> I think you should reformulate your request. Can you give scientific
> backing
> to a "regular" school ?
> I think a good or a bad education and/or schooling are very difficult
> things
> to demonstrate scientifically if at all.
> It is more of a social and philosophical approach. Still there have been
> some attempts to find out the effects on children of Sudbury education.
> For
> instance, "Legacy of Trust: Life After the Sudbury Valley School
> Experience," or "The Pursuit of Happiness: The Lives of Sudbury Valley
> Alumni" -- "what becomes of students who attended Sudbury Valley as they
> pursue their lives as adults? This book explores the lives of former
> students who spent their formative years at the school. It examines in
> depth
> their values, their character, and their careers, drawing extensively on
> their own words. A unique contribution to the literature that evaluates
> schools and educational philosophies."
>
> See: http://www.sudval.org/02_book_06.html .
> I would also suggest to take a look at, http://www.educationfutures.org/ ,
> for instance.
>
> Cheers,
> ~ David
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Marc en Sandra" <marc.san_at_tiscali.be>
> To: <discuss-sudbury-model_at_sudval.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 12:02 PM
> Subject: [Discuss-sudbury-model] scientific backing of Sudbury
>
>
> >
> > Hi,
> > I'm a member of a new startup group in Brussels (Belgium), we would like
> to
> > create a Sudbury school in our area and are working hard on this. One of
> the
> > things coming up in the process is: have any scientific studies been
> > conducted on the positive effects on children of Sudbury education (I
> mean,
> > in terms of learning success, socialization, development of
> responsibility,
> > values, anything). We as starters feel certain enough about the enormous
> > potential of Sudbury for our kids, but there is of course 'the others':
> > critical outsiders, anxious and doubting parents, and especially local
> > education authorities to whom we will have to go and explain about our
> > project somewhere in the near future. It would be a great help if we
> could
> > provide some outside evidence that 'Sudbury works' and not only our own
> > conviction.
> > I also see this in a lager sense: in fact I am gathering material from
> > psychologists and other scientists that supports the ideas that are
> > fundamental to Sudbury (e.g. concepts of 'learned helplessness' and
> > 'intrinsic motivation', publications of John Holt etc.).
> > Does anyone have any interesting information about this?
> > Thanks in advance,
> > Sandra Roobaert
>
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