[Discuss-sudbury-model] Re: Discuss-sudbury-model digest, Vol 1 #331 - 5 msgs

From: Barbara Bishop <snarkhunter5_at_yahoo.com>
Date: Mon Dec 12 19:04:00 2005

Thank you, everyone, for the interesting discussions.

I am a school improvement specialist in Georgia,
working on my dissertation for a School Improvement
degree. I would very much like to talk to a Sudbury
graduate. If any of you know to whom I might address
an e-mail, please contact me offline at
<bbishop_at_doe.k12.ga.us>.

Thanks to you all,
Happy Holidays,
Barbara

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> 1. Re: Sheep (Re: [Discuss-sudbury-model] tv and
> thinking) (Jesse Gallagher)
> 2. Re: Sheep (Re: [Discuss-sudbury-model] tv and
> thinking) (Tay Arrow Sherman)
> 3. Re: Sheep (Re: [Discuss-sudbury-model] tv and
> thinking) (Frederick W. Schueler)
> 4. "For the child's own good"? (Matt77)
> 5. Re: "For the child's own good"? (Hughes)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 09:50:52 -0800 (PST)
> From: Jesse Gallagher <fomajes_at_yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: Sheep (Re: [Discuss-sudbury-model] tv
> and thinking)
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> Though I understand what you're saying, I'm not sure
> how the example I employed in my general discussion
> of television relates to how Sudbury school staff or
> community members interact with Sudbury students.
>
> I don't recall suggesting that Sudbury staff or
> friends take up my "call to arms" and inculcate
> progressive values in their young charges.
>
> I do still apologize, however, for any offense
> given.
>
> Jesse
>
> Woty <wotyfree_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 8, 2005, at 8:22, Jesse Gallagher wrote:
>
> > My apologies to any who were offended by my naked
> contempt for the
> > current occupants of the White House.
>
> That's not what offended me.
>
> >
> > It honestly never occurred to me that supporters
> of choice-based,
> > non-coercive, participatory democratic schooling
> would also support
> > George W. Bush and his administration.
>
> This is what bothered me. I think it shows a very
> deep misconception
> about the model.
>
> Sudbury schools have students from all over the
> political spectrum. A
> staff member who believed that all Republican
> students are
> brainwashed morons and that if they were *really*
> free then they'd
> come to agree with the staff member is not really
> capable of acting
> respectfully or taking the attitude a staff member
> needs to take.
> It's not acceptable at all for staff members to have
> educational
> agendas for the students, and it is not acceptable
> for a staff member
> to have ongoing personal contempt for students who
> are upstanding
> members of the school community.
>
> Contempt for their views is another matter. It's
> entirely possible to
> regard a student's views as reprehensible without
> dehumanizing the
> student or taking it upon oneself to change the
> school environment
> such that the student comes to agree with one's
> preferred viewpoint.
>
> ~Woty
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> <div id="RTEContent">Though I understand what you're
> saying, I'm not sure how the example I employed in
> my general discussion of television relates to how
> Sudbury school staff or community members interact
> with Sudbury students.<br> <br> I don't recall
> suggesting that Sudbury staff or friends take up my
> "call to arms" and inculcate progressive values in
> their young charges.<br> <br> I do still apologize,
> however, for any offense given.<br> <br>
> Jesse<br><br><b><i>Woty
> &lt;wotyfree_at_gmail.com&gt;</i></b> wrote:<blockquote
> class="replbq" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16,
> 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;">
> <br>On Dec 8, 2005, at 8:22, Jesse Gallagher
> wrote:<br><br>&gt; My apologies to any who were
> offended by my naked contempt for the <br>&gt;
> current occupants of the White House.<br><br>That's
> not what offended me.<br><br>&gt;<br>&gt; It
> honestly never occurred to me that supporters of
> choice-based, <br>&gt; non-coercive, participatory
> democratic schooling w!
> ould also
> support <br>&gt; George W. Bush and his
> administration.<br><br>This is what bothered me. I
> think it shows a very deep misconception <br>about
> the model.<br><br>Sudbury schools have students from
> all over the political spectrum. A <br>staff member
> who believed that all Republican students are
> <br>brainwashed morons and that if they were
> *really* free then they'd <br>come to agree with
> the staff member is not really capable of acting
> <br>respectfully or taking the attitude a staff
> member needs to take. <br>It's not acceptable at
> all for staff members to have educational
> <br>agendas for the students, and it is not
> acceptable for a staff member <br>to have ongoing
> personal contempt for students who are upstanding
> <br>members of the school community.<br><br>Contempt
> for their views is another matter. It's entirely
> possible to <br>regard a student's views as
> reprehensible without dehumanizing the <br>student
> or taking it upon oneself to change the school
> environment !
> <br>such
> that the student comes to agree with one's
> preferred
>
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> Message: 2
> From: Tay Arrow Sherman <tay_at_anatomyofhope.net>
> Subject: Re: Sheep (Re: [Discuss-sudbury-model] tv
> and thinking)
> Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 15:23:10 -0500
> To: discuss-sudbury-model_at_sudval.org
> Reply-To: discuss-sudbury-model_at_sudval.org
>
> Word. The Sudbury model lines up with me politically
> in terms of the
> fact that it is a framework of resources that can be
> used freely by its
> participants as they see fit. Depending on how you
> look at this, it can
> be considered either a liberal value or a
> conservative one, either a
> big government value or a small government value...
> and equally rightly
>
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