Re: [Discuss-sudbury-model] Better than thou? Well, yes

From: Scott David Gray <>
Date: Mon Oct 10 11:23:00 2005

A person who cannot respect themselves and others enough to
hear someone else's thoughts -- stated politely and
respectfully, but honestly and without pretense -- without
reading it as 'elitist arrogance,' may not be in the target
audience of people who are philosophically ready for a place
as brutally honest as a Sudbury school.

That said, every 'movement' is served by people who can
gently, carefully persuade others who might initially reject
it to give the movement a second look. But it also requires
people who can unambiguously and without apology argue for
and defend the ideology. Both on positive grounds -- what is
right with the idea, and on negative grounds -- why people
should move away from what they are already doing.

I've long argued that the civil rights movement of the 60s
required *both* the gentle words of ministers like Doctor
King, and the fear instilled by the words of persons like
Malcom X, in order to make headway. It takes all kinds to
make a world. There doesn't have to be just one 'right' way
to talk about the school -- and given how varied people in
the world are, it's a darn good thing that we have advocates
around the world with all sorts of different styles of

On Mon, 10 Oct 2005, Bendymind wrote:

> Motive is everything. Do you revel in the failure of others because it makes
> you feel better about yourself or do you respect and want to raise them up
> in pursuit of reform that is actually just? If your elitist arrogance turns
> the unenlightened away it is detrimental to the cause and absolutely
> dishonorable. It hurts to have your world view shattered and those who are
> actually interested in affecting a change should be aware and consistently
> vigilant about where the other person needs to be met and what it will take
> to get them to understand.
> >
> >
> > The Sudbury model *is* clearly better than the mainstream education
> > model and most alternative models. There is no dishonor in pointing
> > this out confidently.
> >
> > People who are doing something better than the norm ought to have the
> > confidence and the courage to say so.
> >
> >
> >
> > ~Woty

--Scott David Gray
reply to:
To believe something is to believe that it is true;
therefore a reasonable person believes each of his beliefs
to be true; yet experience has taught him to expect that
some of his beliefs, he knows not which, will turn out to be
false.  A reasonable person believes, in short, that each of
his beliefs is true and that some of them are false.  I, for
one, had expected better of reasonable persons.
-- W.V. Quine
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