RE: [Discuss-sudbury-model] analogies, and talking "bad"

From: Alan Klein <>
Date: Sun Oct 9 12:42:01 2005

Scott David,

First, thanks for the clarity re Tay's gender and my apologies to you, Tay,
for my error.

Re analogies: I see your distinction between the slavery and the prison
analogies and agree that I was pointing at the prison end of your
distinction. On the other hand, my understanding of prisons is that there is
plenty of regimentation re how one is to use one's time, so the distinction
may break down upon close inspection. Anyway, this is not my area of

In any case, my original point still stands, that so long as we decide that,
as you put it, "armed rebellion" is not in order to oppose truancy laws,
then our schools occupy the same moral ground that others do relative to
keeping our kids in "prison".

~Alan Klein

-----Original Message-----
From: Scott David Gray
I don't want to belabor the point, but I did want to write a
word or two on the difference between a prison analogy and a
slavery analogy, and what makes them seem apt from this this
writer's POV:

A prison analogy seems a decent analogy for discussing
truancy laws -- prisons intrude directly on a person's right
of free assembly but not on his or her rights of free
thought. The reason why the slavery analogy comes to mind
for traditional schools, is because of the added component
in a traditional school of a person being expressly directed
what to do with her/his time. As opposed, simply, where to

Back to Alan:

On Sun, 9 Oct 2005, Alan Klein wrote:

> The other point that has been made clearly for me in
> this latest discussion is that the actual "slavery" aspect
> of education is the compulsory aspect of it - the
> state-mandated requirement that people attend - not what
> happens inside school walls. As long as our schools are
> following these laws, a strong argument can be made that
> we are morally no better than any other school on the
> "slavery spectrum", though we usually claim moral high
> ground there, particularly over "progressive" or "free"
> schools. I used to claim that same high ground. I am no
> longer so confident.

No; as far as analogies, what you describe is the *prison*
element. See above.
Received on Sun Oct 09 2005 - 12:41:54 EDT

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