Re: [Discuss-sudbury-model] Slave analogy for public schools.

From: Ann Ide <>
Date: Sun Oct 9 12:03:01 2005

I also want to thank Tay. I'd like to add that I get concerned when I hear
any Sudbury person speak with a "better than thou" tone. It starts to sound
rather righteous and arrogant to me. With such an attitude, how can we
maintain open minds for contiunual self reflection, learning and growth ?
Mind you, I am not saying that everyone does this. However, I hear it often
enough. It really bothers me when I start hearing Sudbury kids speak that
way, even my own :-( . Nothing is all good, or all bad.

Ann Ide
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From: "Madeleine Hesselink" <>
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Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 9:40 AM
Subject: Re: [Discuss-sudbury-model] Slave analogy for public schools.

> Thank you Tay. Beautifully said.
> Mado
> --- Tay Arrow Sherman <> wrote:
>> All this discussion about this particular analogy
>> has given me pause. I
>> mean, the way many of us talk about public schools
>> as being places
>> where kids are enslaved.
>> Like, the word "holocaust" has been around since at
>> least 1526 and
>> means "a sacrifice wholly consumed by fire", but
>> when you hear it, you
>> immediately think of The Holocaust. I think the same
>> is true for the
>> word "slavery" in the US, I mean, it makes us think
>> of racism and the
>> Civil War and all this stuff that freaks everyone
>> out a lot, makes
>> everyone feel unhappy in some direction or another.
>> So it's not a great
>> analogy, I think. It ends up being very aggressive,
>> and the people
>> involved in the discourse end up picking at the
>> analogy, which subverts
>> an ideological argument that should be liberating
>> into a semantic one
>> that is sort of nerve-wracking and ultimately at
>> least 90% pointless.
>> Also, if you want to tell someone that your child's
>> chosen way of
>> learning and exploring beats public school (or
>> whatever school) to a
>> pulp, I think it works better to tell them what is
>> good about your
>> child's choice than what is bad about what they may
>> have chosen for
>> their kid.
>> Non-consensual aspects are present in many schools,
>> and ageism is real.
>> There is a lot of stupid stuff going on in
>> education. I think that the
>> dominant methods of "schooling" are crappy enough
>> that we can take them
>> apart by talking about what they are, without having
>> to resort to
>> talking about what they are *like*. And I think that
>> unschooling,
>> homeschooling, and Sudbury-model schools are all
>> awesome enough that we
>> can talk about how awesome they are and why, without
>> having to resort
>> to talkin' trash.
>> -Tay
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