Re: [Discuss-sudbury-model] compulsory element of sudbury model

From: David Rovner <rovners_at_netvision.net.il>
Date: Fri Oct 7 17:22:01 2005

But if you are in an external apprenticeship program/situation, then,
are you still a part, or not, of the community ?

~ David

----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott David Gray" <sgray_at_sudval.org>
To: "Discuss-Sudbury-Model Mailing List" <discuss-sudbury-model_at_sudval.org>
Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 10:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Discuss-sudbury-model] compulsory element of sudbury model

> Hi Molly,
>
> On Fri, 7 Oct 2005 JMMancasola_at_aol.com wrote:
>
> > Don't individuals benefit by having the right to move in
> > and out of any community according to his or her own
> > judgement? Couldn't this actually improve the sudbury
> > culture because it would allow an infusion of unschooling
> > kids who already "get" freedom and responsibility at a
> > larger community level?
>
> Individuals *do* benefit from being able to decide which
> communities they will, or won't, be a part of.
>
> And, by the same token, most communities have their own
> standards for what level of involvement is needed to remain
> a member. If I join the local chapter of the humane society,
> but never show up or involve myself with them in any way,
> they are perfectly justified in saying "Scott is no longer a
> part of our community" and ending my membership, along with
> whatever privileges such membership entitled me to.
>
> At Sudbury Valley, it is important that the attendance
> regulations are *not* dealt with by the Judicial system. Not
> attending isn't a crime, and nobody holds it against you
> (well, alright, maybe your friends who miss you do). On the
> other hand, if you're not part of the community any more,
> whether by your choice or not, our School Meeting wants to
> recognize that and formally end that person's involvement
> with the community.
>
> From time to time, students have tried to use SVS as a 'drop
> in center' -- and it has never felt right to them, their
> parents, their friends in the school, or the school.
>
> Rather than getting a sense of what it is to be a member of
> the community, people who don't become part of our community
> full time are *in*fact* simply left confused, not knowing
> everybody's name, not knowing the rules, and wondering why
> every time they show up it's their turn to do trash (mostly
> because everyone does the trash about once every three
> months, and if you only *show* once every three months . .
> .)
>
> It is impossible to divorce community membership and
> responsibility with breathing the same air day-in and
> day-out. There's nothing wrong with not wanting to be part
> of our community -- but our School Meeting wants students to
> decide one way or another whether they are in or out.
>
> > Thank you,
> > Molly Mancasola
>
> --
>
> --Scott David Gray
> reply to: sgray_at_sudval.org
> http://www.unseelie.org/
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