[Discuss-sudbury-model] Re: asheville school information

From: Valerie Smith <vsmith_at_harrisonburg.k12.va.us>
Date: Sat Jun 18 16:13:00 2005

could someone give me contact information for the asheville start-up school?
much appreciated!
valerie

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> 3. Re: wait a minute (Richard Berlin)
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> 6. Fw: [AshevilleSudbury] Admissions Policy (Caren Knox-Hundley)
> 7. Re: Fw: [AshevilleSudbury] Admissions Policy (Bruce Smith)
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> From: Woty <woty_at_bellsouth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Discuss-sudbury-model] Encouragment.
> Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2005 22:06:54 -0400
> To: discuss-sudbury-model_at_sudval.org
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> On Apr 9, 2005, at 16:42, Geert Wester wrote:
> >
> > And as for yourself: is it really necessary to regret to speak out what
> > lives in your heart?
>
> It depends on what's in your heart. If what's in one's heart is
> regrettable, then one should regret it, and seek to change it. One
> certainly should not inflict it on children just because it is there.
>
> But what's better is to have good things in one's heart to begin with.
> It's not that Sudbury model school staff should be constantly
> repressing an urge to direct children. Rather, they should be genuinely
> uninterested in directing them, and should internalize a different
> role. I think that this is achievable and is being done already in some
> places.
>
> > I feel it is exactly this freedom that we have lost that hinders us to
> > freely interact with children.
>
> It's not clear to me what you think that we have lost. Could you
> explain more?
>
> > When the heavyness of our thoughts overshadows the love in our hearts,
> > it is
> > time to go out and feel the sun, the rain, the wind and let ourselves
> > be
> > cleansed.
>
> But staff don't, and shouldn't, love the students as part of their role
> in the community any more than students love all school meeting members
> as a matter of course. They aren't daytime parents, they're adult
> school meeting members. What does love have to do with how staff should
> behave towards students?
>
> ~Woty
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 17:40:45 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Cha Mirija <chamirija_at_yahoo.com>
> To: discuss-sudbury-model_at_sudval.org
> Subject: [Discuss-sudbury-model] wait a minute
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> the best you can do is hope he decides not to let someone molest him? have
> you any idea how many pedophiles there are? and he's a pre-schooler???
>
>
> "Nudity and touching is agonizing, but *decision-making* is not open to me.
> Obviously I can try to avoid leaving him with an adult who will molest him,
> and can set a good example in a variety of ways. But I can't be with him
> every minute of every day; how can I possibly claim to have decision making
> ability over this? The best I can do for him is to give him information,
> and empower him (hopefully) to respect bodies and personal boundaries, both
> his and other people's. "
>
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> <DIV>the best you can do is hope he decides not to let someone molest him?
> have you any idea how many pedophiles there are? and he's a
> pre-schooler???</DIV>
> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
> <DIV>"Nudity and touching is agonizing, but *decision-making* is not open
> to&nbsp; me.&nbsp; Obviously I can try to avoid leaving him with an adult who
> will&nbsp; molest him, and can set a good example in a variety of ways.&nbsp;
> But I&nbsp; can't be with him every minute of every day; how can I possibly
> claim&nbsp; to have decision making ability over this?&nbsp; The best I can
> do for him&nbsp; is to give him information, and empower him (hopefully) to
> respect&nbsp; bodies and personal boundaries, both his and other people's.
> "<BR><BR>
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> Message: 3
> From: Richard Berlin <rberlin_at_pacbell.net>
> Subject: Re: [Discuss-sudbury-model] wait a minute
> Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 20:04:02 -0700
> To: discuss-sudbury-model_at_sudval.org
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> No, I'm not simply hoping. What I said is that I can't be there to
> make *all* of his decisions, so depending on holding the decision power
> is a strategy which is destined to fail.
>
> As far as protecting him from the particular threat you mention, I
> listed a number of things, #1 of which is most pertinent for a
> pre-schooler:
>
> 1) try to avoid leaving him with an adult who will molest him
> 2) set a good example
> 3) give him information
> 4) empower him to respect bodies and personal boundaries
>
> If I choose well (and perhaps "Trust but Verify") #1 will keep him safe
> for awhile, but in the meantime I had better be working on 2, 3 and 4.
>
> -- Rich
>
>
> On Apr 11, 2005, at 5:40 PM, Cha Mirija wrote:
>
> > the best you can do is hope he decides not to let someone molest him?
> > have you any idea how many pedophiles there are? and he's a
> > pre-schooler???
> >  
> >  
> > "Nudity and touching is agonizing, but *decision-making* is not open
> > to  me.  Obviously I can try to avoid leaving him with an adult who
> > will  molest him, and can set a good example in a variety of ways. 
> > But I  can't be with him every minute of every day; how can I possibly
> > claim  to have decision making ability over this?  The best I can do
> > for him  is to give him information, and empower him (hopefully) to
> > respect  bodies and personal boundaries, both his and other people's.
> > "
> >
> >
> >  
> >
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> > Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site!
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> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 09:45:50 -0500
> From: Christopher Weeks <clweeks_at_eclipse.net>
> To: discuss-sudbury-model_at_sudval.org
> Subject: Re: [Discuss-sudbury-model] wait a minute
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> Cha Mirija wrote:
>
> > have you any idea how many pedophiles there are?
>
> No, how many?
>
> Chris
>
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> From: Sugmapl_at_aol.com
> Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 23:13:07 EDT
> To: discuss-sudbury-model_at_sudval.org
> Subject: [Discuss-sudbury-model] ORGANIZE!
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> Dear Folks,
>
> I was thrilled to see Blue Mountain solicit for staff on this list.
>
> While there is, of course, a time for contemplating and debating the fine
> points of offering
> freedom and respect to children, there also comes a time to actually do this
> stuff. There comes a time to put together enough money and organizers to
> actually offer freedom to children.
>
> I hope this means that this list can be used to solicit folks to actually
> organize this stuff.
>
>
> My very best regards,
> Bill Richardson
> afulltable.com
>
>
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> Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 09:09:29 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Caren Knox-Hundley <carenkh_at_earthlink.net>
> To: discuss-sudbury-model_at_sudval.org
> Subject: [Discuss-sudbury-model] Fw: [AshevilleSudbury] Admissions Policy
> Reply-To: discuss-sudbury-model_at_sudval.org
>
> Received this today from a member of the Asheville start-up group. If anyone
> has any input, it would be appreciated! I know we can't guarantee that a
> child won't be hit... How does SV screen its applicants? Again, I know more
> info is in the start-up kit. I believe one is on its way to a member of our
> group! But something I could forward on to her would be great in the
> meantime.
>
> Thanks -
> Caren
> in Charlotte
>
> -----Forwarded Message-----
> From: Debra Thorsen
> Sent: Apr 26, 2005 7:46 AM
> To: AshevilleSudbury_at_yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [AshevilleSudbury] Admissions Policy
>
> Can someone help me understand Sudbury's admission policy? They say it is
> "Open" and also that "It is unlikely for one child to hit another here. It's
> a very nonviolent environment and that's actually something that we try to
> screen for at enrollment time because every child in this school is totally
> free to be wherever they want to be, which means you have unsupervised four,
> five, six, seven-year olds. So you want to be pretty careful that you don't
> have people who hit..."
>
> What "screening" does Sudbury Valley do?
>
> My daughter went to a preschool where a boy was aggressive and hit her and
> other children. We took her out of the preschool and she is still learning to
> like and trust little boys. I would not want children who hit or bully or are
> aggressive at Asheville Sudbury School.
>
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 12:10:57 -0500 (CDT)
> From: Bruce Smith <bsmith_at_coin.org>
> To: discuss-sudbury-model_at_sudval.org
> Subject: Re: [Discuss-sudbury-model] Fw: [AshevilleSudbury] Admissions Policy
> Reply-To: discuss-sudbury-model_at_sudval.org
>
>
> Caren,
>
> I've staffed at three Sudbury schools over the past nine years or so. In
> my experience, "open" admission means that everyone is considered,
> regardless of previous labels, bad experiences, etc.
>
> The screening that does occur is necessarily subjective, but focused. We
> use the admissions/enrollment interview and the visiting period to assess
> whether a prospective student can behave responsibly without constant,
> over-the-shoulder adult supervision. Can they treat others with respect?
> Can they handle disagreements without resorting to violence? Will they
> follow through on their commitments? Will they respect the processes of
> the school that keep it functioning (especially Judicial Committee and
> School Meeting)? These are the sorts of questions that get asked.
>
> But it's a lot more than rules and policies. The main reason Sudbury
> schools tend to be nonviolent is the culture. People are _expected_ to act
> responsibly by the entire community, not simply the adults. Physical
> violence, and even verbal abuse, is taken extremely seriously.
>
> That's not to say that there is never any violence, of course. Sometimes
> new schools have to learn from experience not to be overly tolerant,
> wanting to give students a number of second chances. But pretty soon every
> school realizes that the line against disrespect must be drawn early and
> clearly; and that discouraging or denying someone enrollment is sometimes
> better for everyone in the long run.
>
> I hope this helps.
>
> Bruce Smith
> Alpine Valley School, Colorado
>
>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 21:18:56 +0200
> From: David Rovner <rovners_at_netvision.net.il>
> Subject: Re: [Discuss-sudbury-model] Fw: [AshevilleSudbury] Admissions Policy
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> For what I've read about Sudbury Valley it seems to me that either there is
> no screening, or the screening must be kind of subtle, at enrollement at
> Sudbury Valley. For instance lets take this fragment of "Good Kids" and
> "Trouble Makers", from Free at Last: "students who were at war with their
> former schools ('troublemakers')", ". . . Year in, year out, they come: the
> floatsam end jetsam of society, kids on whom just about everyone has given
> up. Car thieves, mischief-makers, druggies, alcoholics, school-phobists,
> anti-socials of all sorts, either flung out of all their former schools or
> violently opposed to attending school at all. All of them are treated the
> same at Sudbury Valley. They get their freedom back, and the awesome
> responsibility of controlling their own destinies. There is no one to hold
> them down.
> Soon, the message sinks in. The freedom, the open atmosphere, the universal
> friendliness, the age mixing, all combine to ease them back to reality . . ."
>
> ~ David
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> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4>For what I've read about Sudbury Valley&nbsp;it
> seems to me that either there is no screening, or the screening must be kind
> of
> subtle, at enrollement at Sudbury Valley. For instance lets take this
> fragment
> of "Good Kids" and "Trouble Makers", from Free at Last:&nbsp;<EM>"students
> who
> were at war with their former schools ('troublemakers')"</EM>, <EM>". . .
> Year
> in, year out, they come: the floatsam end jetsam of society, kids on whom
> just
> about everyone has given up. Car thieves, mischief-makers, druggies,
> alcoholics,
> school-phobists, anti-socials of all sorts, either flung out of all their
> former
> schools or violently opposed to attending school at all. All of them are
> treated
> the same at Sudbury Valley. They get their freedom back, and the awesome
> responsibility of controlling their own destinies. There is no one to hold
> them
> down. </EM></FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4><EM>Soon, the message sinks in. The freedom, the
> open atmosphere, the universal friendliness, the age mixing, all combine to
> ease
> them back to reality . . ."&nbsp;</EM>&nbsp;</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4>~ David</FONT></DIV>
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> Message: 9
> From: "Anne Karin" <buddhaferie_at_hotmail.com>
> To: discuss-sudbury-model_at_sudval.org
> Subject: Re: [Discuss-sudbury-model] Fw: [AshevilleSudbury] Admissions Policy
> Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 07:51:11 +0000
> Reply-To: discuss-sudbury-model_at_sudval.org
>
> Well, that's good to hear, David, because there are so many children that
> gets destructive when they have a hard time in public schools, and these
> children do need some time to adjust to, and to trust, a friendly
> atmosphere. The child is NEVER the problem.
>
> >From: David Rovner <rovners_at_netvision.net.il>
> >Reply-To: discuss-sudbury-model_at_sudval.org
> >To: discuss-sudbury-model_at_sudval.org
> >Subject: Re: [Discuss-sudbury-model] Fw: [AshevilleSudbury] Admissions
> >Policy
> >Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 21:18:56 +0200
> >
> >
> >For what I've read about Sudbury Valley it seems to me that either there is
> >no screening, or the screening must be kind of subtle, at enrollement at
> >Sudbury Valley. For instance lets take this fragment of "Good Kids" and
> >"Trouble Makers", from Free at Last: "students who were at war with their
> >former schools ('troublemakers')", ". . . Year in, year out, they come: the
> >floatsam end jetsam of society, kids on whom just about everyone has given
> >up. Car thieves, mischief-makers, druggies, alcoholics, school-phobists,
> >anti-socials of all sorts, either flung out of all their former schools or
> >violently opposed to attending school at all. All of them are treated the
> >same at Sudbury Valley. They get their freedom back, and the awesome
> >responsibility of controlling their own destinies. There is no one to hold
> >them down.
> >Soon, the message sinks in. The freedom, the open atmosphere, the universal
> >friendliness, the age mixing, all combine to ease them back to reality .
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