[Discuss-sudbury-model] RE:Interest in England Discuss-sudbury-model digest, Vol 1 #202 - 2 msgs

From: <mcasey_at_spscc.ctc.edu>
Date: Thu Sep 30 15:32:00 2004

I am new to the discussions, but not the concept. A group of parents,
teachers, and one principal met and purposed to our school district a
Sudbury Valley Model "experiment." We gave the school board, as we were told
that night, a very powerful presentation. Youthful perspective players stood
and spoke.
We were ignored by that school district.
A few months later we were contacted by an exciting young principal from
another district. (They needed the money.) We were given the opportunity to
have the SBV Model within their school. Obviously a bad (building-wise)
location. We were sent students that the school wanted to not deal with. And
we had our own kids. We borrowed our own older kids as volunteers because
the cooperating school only went to the 6th grade. (This gave us a 5-15 yr
old range)
It was an eye-opening experience, even for a believer. This school was
located on a Native American reservation. The poverty and oppression was
staggering. There were white traditional educators that were the most
frightening professional people I've ever met.
But the kids called themselves Middle Earth, and took the SBV School concept
very seriously.
I wish there was time, or a place to share what I saw and learned, and to
tell you about our second year out in an old Grange Hall with a "new"
parent-driven group as room-mates. For now, I must at least share this;

Everyone of the people who participated were effected in a positive way, and
despite the constant beating we took, every single parent that understood
what they were seeing, would do it again in a heart beat.

The hardest skill that we parent-teacher-types had to learn and learn, and
learn, was to get out of the way... mentally, politically, spiritually, and
physically.

After our two-year experience it is my believe that the human is born in
it's own most perfect state, it is from that most intelligent, incredible
beginning that humans are pecked away at until, we become what we have
become.
 
Children are not blobs of clay to be molded; they are gods that speak a
different language. Their intuitive senses combined with their natural drive
for community-wellness is magic.

That being said in order to comment on the issue. :) My thoughts in
regard to SBV Schools, Summerhill and others... that the differences are
sometimes driven and possibly unavoidable due to the demographics and how it
is that the kids arrive (what is their sub-culture and what brought them
there). I've worked/played with youth for 14 years that were
disenfranchised; most had already developed oppressively extreme
attitude/behaviors. Their school lives (and undoing) travels within an
environment where the professional adults are hired to contain first, remold
second.
Most of these "alternative" kids are not exciting worldly-rebellious fresh
attitudes that reflect thought and spirit, but dark, scary, cocooned
attitudes with no place to go. Surround by adults with the same.

(Though I agree with Scott.)
If I remember right, A.S. Neill was working under very different conditions.

The SBV model would probably only survive where it was fed into by a
"differently-educated" population then what is the case-majority in the
Northwest outback. And as you may already be thinking, those less likely to
experience trust and community, need it the most.

I saw what respectful, trusting, healthy human contact and conditions can do
for kids who usually spend a good portion of their day trying to unravel the
establishment, another long story. (Sometimes it was very good, and
sometimes they destroyed the opportunities they really wanted.) The SBV
approach in these "different" kinds of situations is impressive, sometimes
to the point of breaking heart-wrenching cycles. Cycles perpetuated by
(unhealthy) communities that maintain unhealthy schools and small town
political agendas. (I need to stop rattling. There is so much to all of
this.)
Anyway, we scared the pants off people. After all we did manage to shirk our
duty, which is to rob the child's spirit.
  
Molly Casey

" Miners used the sudden death of a canary as an alarm to prevent their own
extinction. There are dead canaries all around us and no one seems to
notice."

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Message: 1
From: "Carol Hughes" <hughes0005_at_comcast.net>
To: <discuss-sudbury-model_at_sudval.org>
Subject: Re: [Discuss-sudbury-model] interest in England? (/Scotland?)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 11:57:02 -0400
Reply-To: discuss-sudbury-model_at_sudval.org

I read Summerhill before I had even heard of SVS. My thought when I read it
was what would happen to the school if they didn't have A.S. Neil. It
really struck me as a benevolent dictatorship. Many of his ideas are
inspirational. What is profoundly different with the Sudbury model is that
its premise assumes that the student is fully equipped to govern
him/herself. Over and again I see this idea is hard to grasp in a society
that is crippled by the premise that an expert is needed in order to
accomplish any darn thing at all. T'aint so.
Carol
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott David Gray" <sgray_at_sudval.org>
To: <discuss-sudbury-model_at_sudval.org>
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 9:49 AM
Subject: Re: [Discuss-sudbury-model] interest in England? (/Scotland?)

> When I was 14, and a student at SVS, I read Summerhill.
> Funny, I felt almost betrayed by A.S. Neil -- that he was
> not operating a school that was only somewhat free, and was
> not at all democratic by any reasnable modern use of the
> word.
>
> I've written elsewhere (you can find the original messages,
> and the context in which they were written, at by searching
> at http://www.sudval.org/search.html):
>
> When I was 14, I read Summerhill, and I was stunned
> (and frankly disappointed) by how undemocratic Summerhill
> seemed to be in Neill's _own_ words. He disbanded the School
> Meeting, only _allowed_ them to consider issues that _he_
> allowed them to consider, and he himself disobeyed the law
> of the School Meeting in order to indulge his own form of
> pedagogy (the story about taking the kid around the school
> and breaking windows with him).
>
> In my opinion, Summerhill School Meeting is exactly as
> democratic at the English Parliament under King Henry VIII.
> Many members (the Summerhill staff and the House of Lords)
> are not voted on by any body. The body only gets to vote on
> things presented to it by the sovereign (Neill or Henry
> Tudor). Some things are deemed by the _sovereign_ beyond the
> "reach" of the democratic body (hiring/firing staff, setting
> tuition, budgeting, etc.).
> Neill went very far, and he has my respect. Like Henry
> VIII, he gave _more_ power to the democratic body than any
> of his/her predecessors (earlier Kings and/or headmasters).
> In fact, each was the first sovereign to give any _real_
> legal identity _to_ the democratic body. But in the modern
> era, we have an understanding that democracy can (and
> should) have no limitations placed on it by any hereditary
> sovereign.
>
> Beyond that, Summerhill believes in "guiding" students
> while Sudbury model schools do _not_. There is a great deal
> of (to use the less pleasant term) coercion in Summerhill.
> Their literature takes pride in how children are guided into
> certain activities, and how many classes the children end up
> taking. It is an interesting place, with a concrete
> philosophy, but it is not (in my opinion) the Sudbury
> philosophy, nor is it a place that I would like to work or
> want any children of mine to attend.
>
> There is no question that Summerhill was a book which
> greatly influenced and inspired the founding staff at
> Sudbury Valley. But the differences are huge.
>
> There are several differences, that I can see. The most
> significant, is that Summerhill is organized around Freudian
> psychology, and the premise that children need parental
> figures taking charge of them.
>
> This has led to several things in Summerhill that one would
> not see at Sudbury Valley, and vice versa.
>
> 1) There is no pretense of equality before the law between
> staff and students at Summerhill. A. S. Neill hired and
> fired staff himself, with no vote, and certainly saw himself
> as above the law (eg running around and breaking windows
> with a student). Neill tried to take the role of counselor,
> and certainly wrote about himself and his wife as parents
> and counselors to the kids.
>
> 2) Summerhill is a boarding school, in part from a tradition
> that children need to be _protected_ from their parents.
> Sudbury Valley doesn't see itself that way. While Summerhill
> is concerned to protect kids from things that can cause
> psychological stress, Sudbury Valley assumes that kids are
> naturally strong enough to be able to deal with what they
> are likely to encounter in their daily lives, and makes no
> before to "protect" them.
>
> 3) Rule of law is considered less important at Summerhill
> than it is at Sudbury Valley, in part because the law in the
> UK prevents the school from being self-governed without a
> headmaster, and in part because of the Freudian background
> of Neill. Summerhill was _owned_ by Neill (is it now owned
> by Zoe?), whereas Sudbury Valley is owned by the Assembly --
> each student parent and staff member being an equal partner
> legally.
>
> My general feeling, when I read the book "Summerhill"
> 20 years ago, was that if a candidate ran for staff at SVS
> with a philosophy at all like Neill's, the candidate would
> be loudly laughed at and rejected by the students. I still
> hold to that opinion.
>
> On Thu, 30 Sep 2004, Jennifer Blair wrote:
>
> > I did not say, nor intend to imply, that Summerhill is a Sudbury school.
There are similarities and it is the democratic model founded in England,
where the original poster is located, so I thought it might be of interest
to her. If one is to start a democratic school, it just makes sense to find
out about the local democratic model that already exists. IMHO
> > Jennifer
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Vera Wagemans<mailto:vera-wagemans_at_tiscalinet.be>
> > To:
discuss-sudbury-model_at_sudval.org<mailto:discuss-sudbury-model_at_sudval.org>
> > Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 5:12 AM
> > Subject: RE: [Discuss-sudbury-model] interest in England? (/Scotland?)
> >
> >
> > Hi Jennifer,
> >
> > I would not say that Summerhill is a Sudbury School! Maybe they were
the first but they are not the same in my opinion.
> >
> > greetz,
> > Vera (in Belgium)
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:
discuss-sudbury-model-admin_at_sudval.org<mailto:discuss-sudbury-model-admin_at_su
dval.org> [mailto:discuss-sudbury-model-admin_at_sudval.org]On Behalf Of
Jennifer Blair
> > Sent: woensdag 29 september 2004 22:02
> > To: discuss-sudbury-model_at_sudval.org
> > Subject: Re: [Discuss-sudbury-model] interest in England?
(/Scotland?)
> >
> >
> > Hi Corrina,
> >
> > You should check out Summerhill, I believe the school is in Leiston
in Soffolk. The school that really started it all.
http://www.summerhillschool.co.uk/indexgo.html<http://www.summerhillschool.c
o.uk/indexgo.html>
if there was an earlier school, I would love to hear about it.
> >
> > Take care,
> > Jennifer
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Regina Leeb<mailto:RichLeeb_at_web.de>
> > To:
discuss-sudbury-model_at_sudval.org<mailto:discuss-sudbury-model_at_sudval.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 1:04 PM
> > Subject: [Discuss-sudbury-model] interest in England? (/Scotland?)
> >
> >
> >
discuss-sudbury-model_at_sudval.org<mailto:discuss-sudbury-model_at_sudval.org>
schrieb am 29.09.04 18:11:38:
> >
> > Hi to all
> >
> > Are any of you based in England and/or wanting to set up a
Sudbury-based
> > model here?
> >
> > I'm teaching in the English state system now and my heart is in
the Sudbury
> > model. I'm interested in either setting up a one-off school or
just going
> > the whole hog and Sudburyifying the English system. Where are all
you
> > English people who have this same yearning and the energy to start
kicking
> > some ass!?? Surely better late than never.... ;0)
> >
> > Love to all,
> > Corrina
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hey Corrina,
> >
> >
> >
> > I am not really an 'English person', but based in the UK for the
moment anyway (Scotland, that is). I've spent a year at the Australian
Sudbury! School, but am originally from Germany. At the moment I am studying
conservation biology at the university of Aberdeen. I just wanted you to
have my email adress in case you do get some people to meet sometime and
want to invite me along ;-) No seriously, it might be interesting for any of
us and I just love getting in touch with other Sudbury people!
> >
> > Good luck to you,
> >
> >
> >
> > Greetz,
> >
> >
> >
> > Regina =)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Message: 2
From: "Vera Wagemans" <vera-wagemans_at_tiscalinet.be>
To: <discuss-sudbury-model_at_sudval.org>
Subject: RE: [Discuss-sudbury-model] RE: Discuss-sudbury-model digest, Vol 1
#199 - 7 msgs
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 18:25:09 +0200
Reply-To: discuss-sudbury-model_at_sudval.org

Hi corinna,

have you looked on other places than this list?
You might want to put an add somewhere to get in contact with people who
share similar ideas. That is what somebody did here in Belgium 1,5 years ago
in a magazine that is distributed to all parents of schoolgoing children.
About 15 people showed up, which lead to 3 start-up-groups, planning to
start september 1st 2005.

good luck!
Vera
'De Vlinder' Sudbury School Gent
www.sudbury.be

> -----Original Message-----
> From: discuss-sudbury-model-admin_at_sudval.org
> [mailto:discuss-sudbury-model-admin_at_sudval.org]On Behalf Of corrina
> gordon
> Sent: donderdag 30 september 2004 15:45
> To: discuss-sudbury-model_at_sudval.org
> Subject: [Discuss-sudbury-model] RE: Discuss-sudbury-model digest, Vol 1
> #199 - 7 msgs
>
>
> Thanks, Jennifer, for the suggestion, but I have visited Summerhill and
> wasn't overly impressed. Having read a fair bit on Summerhill and Sudbury
> Valley, I would agree with Vera that there is quite a difference
> between the
> two models.
>
> Still waiting for people in England to step forward and make themselves
> known!.... Thanks for the interest so far!
>
> With love,
> Corrina
>
>
>
>
> >From: discuss-sudbury-model-request_at_sudval.org
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> >Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 05:14:00 -0400
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> >Today's Topics:
> >
> > 1. interest in England? (corrina gordon)
> > 2. interest in England? (/Scotland?) (Regina Leeb)
> > 3. Re: interest in England? (Mike Weimann)
> > 4. Re: interest in England? (Carol Hughes)
> > 5. Re: interest in England? (/Scotland?) (Jennifer Blair)
> > 6. RE: parenting teens (Geert Wester)
> > 7. RE: interest in England? (/Scotland?) (Vera Wagemans)
> >
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> >
> >Message: 1
> >From: "corrina gordon" <corrinagordon_at_hotmail.com>
> >To: discuss-sudbury-model_at_sudval.org
> >Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 16:29:49 +0100
> >Subject: [Discuss-sudbury-model] interest in England?
> >Reply-To: discuss-sudbury-model_at_sudval.org
> >
> >Hi to all
> >
> >Are any of you based in England and/or wanting to set up a Sudbury-based
> >model here?
> >
> >I'm teaching in the English state system now and my heart is in
> the Sudbury
> >model. I'm interested in either setting up a one-off school or just going
> >the whole hog and Sudburyifying the English system. Where are all you
> >English people who have this same yearning and the energy to
> start kicking
> >some ass!?? Surely better late than never.... ;0)
> >
> >Love to all,
> >Corrina
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >Message: 2
> >Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 19:04:14 +0200
> >From: "Regina Leeb" <RichLeeb_at_web.de>
> >To: discuss-sudbury-model_at_sudval.org
> >Organization: http://freemail.web.de/
> >Subject: [Discuss-sudbury-model] interest in England? (/Scotland?)
> >Reply-To: discuss-sudbury-model_at_sudval.org
> >
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> >style='padding:5px;'><P>discuss-sudbury-model_at_sudval.org schrieb am
> >29.09.04 18:11:38:<BR><BR>Hi to all<BR><BR>Are any of you based
> in England
> >and/or wanting to set up a Sudbury-based <BR>model here?<BR><BR>I'm
> >teaching in the English state system now and my heart is in the Sudbury
> ><BR>model. I'm interested in either setting up a one-off school or just
> >going <BR>the whole hog and Sudburyifying the English system.
> Where are all
> >you <BR>English people who have this same yearning and the
> energy to start
> >kicking <BR>some ass!?? Surely better late than never....
> ;0)<BR><BR>Love
> >to all,<BR>Corrina<BR><BR><BR></P><P>Hey
> Corrina,</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>I am
> >not really an 'English person', but based in the UK for the
> moment anyway
> >(Scotland, that is). I've spent a year&nbsp;at the Australian Sudbury!
> > School, but am originally from Germany. At the moment I am studying
> >conservation biology at the university of Aberdeen. I just wanted you to
> >have my email adress in case you do get some people to meet sometime and
> >want to invite me along ;-) No seriously, it might be
> interesting for any
> >of us and I just <EM>love</EM> getting in touch with other Sudbury
> >people!</P><P>Good luck to
> >you,</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>Greetz,</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>Regina
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> >
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> >
> >Message: 3
> >Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 13:37:18 -0400
> >From: Mike Weimann <mike.weimann_at_gmx.net>
> >Organization: South Side Settlement Hose Columbus, Ohio
> >To: discuss-sudbury-model_at_sudval.org
> >Subject: Re: [Discuss-sudbury-model] interest in England?
> >Reply-To: discuss-sudbury-model_at_sudval.org
> >
> >Hello,
> >
> >my name is Mike Weimann, I'm new on this listserve. I'm involved in the
> >process of starting a Sudbury School in Berlin, Germany.
> >-> http://sudbury.de
> >
> >To get some more information about my background, please check the
> >website of our Berlin youth group as well, you find many links related
> >to alternative child uprearing and school issues.
> >-> http://kraetzae.de (some information in English available)
> >
> >I want to tell you, Corrina, (and by the way everybody else) that we
> >will held the International Democratic Education Conference ICEC in
> >Berlin next Summer. You find all information currently available on our
> >website
> >-> http://idec2005.org
> >
> >We will probably have Mimsy Sadofsky, founder of the Sudbury Valley
> >School here. (This is a brand new information, we are very happy about
> >that). We try to get several other sudbury modelled schools (students,
> >staff) to our conference. We will comunicate later in more detail. But
> >now your request gave reason to mention it already now.
> >
> >The IDEC is first-time in Europe after several years and meanwhile we
> >have news from different European countries that want to start with
> >Sudbury Schools, Germany included.
> >
> >It would be nice to have you there. Any inquiry is welcome.
> >
> >Best regards
> >Mike Weimann
> >
> >corrina gordon schrieb:
> > > Are any of you based in England and/or wanting to set up a
> Sudbury-based
> > > model here?
> >
> >--
> >Mike Weimann, Winsstraße 4, 10405 Berlin
> >http://kraetzae.de, http://kinderwahlrecht.de
> >
> >-- __--__--
> >
> >Message: 4
> >From: "Carol Hughes" <hughes0005_at_comcast.net>
> >To: <discuss-sudbury-model_at_sudval.org>
> >Subject: Re: [Discuss-sudbury-model] interest in England?
> >Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 15:09:03 -0400
> >Reply-To: discuss-sudbury-model_at_sudval.org
> >
> >How exciting,
> >Best of luck to you all. Keep us posted as it goes along so we
> can support
> >you.
> >Regards,
> >Carol Hughes
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Mike Weimann" <mike.weimann_at_gmx.net>
> >To: <discuss-sudbury-model_at_sudval.org>
> >Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 1:37 PM
> >Subject: Re: [Discuss-sudbury-model] interest in England?
> >
> >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > my name is Mike Weimann, I'm new on this listserve. I'm
> involved in the
> > > process of starting a Sudbury School in Berlin, Germany.
> > > -> http://sudbury.de
> > >
> > > To get some more information about my background, please check the
> > > website of our Berlin youth group as well, you find many links related
> > > to alternative child uprearing and school issues.
> > > -> http://kraetzae.de (some information in English available)
> > >
> > > I want to tell you, Corrina, (and by the way everybody else) that we
> > > will held the International Democratic Education Conference ICEC in
> > > Berlin next Summer. You find all information currently
> available on our
> > > website
> > > -> http://idec2005.org
> > >
> > > We will probably have Mimsy Sadofsky, founder of the Sudbury Valley
> > > School here. (This is a brand new information, we are very happy about
> > > that). We try to get several other sudbury modelled schools (students,
> > > staff) to our conference. We will comunicate later in more detail. But
> > > now your request gave reason to mention it already now.
> > >
> > > The IDEC is first-time in Europe after several years and meanwhile we
> > > have news from different European countries that want to start with
> > > Sudbury Schools, Germany included.
> > >
> > > It would be nice to have you there. Any inquiry is welcome.
> > >
> > > Best regards
> > > Mike Weimann
> > >
> > > corrina gordon schrieb:
> > > > Are any of you based in England and/or wanting to set up a
> >Sudbury-based
> > > > model here?
> > >
> > > --
> > > Mike Weimann, Winsstraße 4, 10405 Berlin
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> >Message: 5
> >From: "Jennifer Blair" <noise44_at_msn.com>
> >To: <discuss-sudbury-model_at_sudval.org>
> >Subject: Re: [Discuss-sudbury-model] interest in England? (/Scotland?)
> >Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 16:02:21 -0400
> >Reply-To: discuss-sudbury-model_at_sudval.org
> >
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> >Hi Corrina,
> >
> >You should check out Summerhill, I believe the school is in Leiston in =
> >Soffolk. The school that really started it all. =
> >http://www.summerhillschool.co.uk/indexgo.html<http://www.summerh
> illschoo=
> >l.co.uk/indexgo.html> if there was an earlier school, I would love to =
> >hear about it.
> >
> >Take care,
> >Jennifer
> > ----- Original Message -----=20
> > From: Regina Leeb<mailto:RichLeeb_at_web.de>=20
> > To: =
> >discuss-sudbury-model_at_sudval.org<mailto:discuss-sudbury-model_at_sud
> val.org>=
> >=20
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 1:04 PM
> > Subject: [Discuss-sudbury-model] interest in England? (/Scotland?)
> >
> >
> > =
> >discuss-sudbury-model_at_sudval.org<mailto:discuss-sudbury-model_at_sud
> val.org>=
> > schrieb am 29.09.04 18:11:38:
> >
> > Hi to all
> >
> > Are any of you based in England and/or wanting to set up a =
> >Sudbury-based=20
> > model here?
> >
> > I'm teaching in the English state system now and my heart is in the =
> >Sudbury=20
> > model. I'm interested in either setting up a one-off school or just =
> >going=20
> > the whole hog and Sudburyifying the English system. Where are
> all you=20
> > English people who have this same yearning and the energy to start =
> >kicking=20
> > some ass!?? Surely better late than never.... ;0)
> >
> > Love to all,
> > Corrina
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hey Corrina,
> >
> >
> >
> > I am not really an 'English person', but based in the UK for the =
> >moment anyway (Scotland, that is). I've spent a year at the Australian =
> >Sudbury! School, but am originally from Germany. At the moment I am =
> >studying conservation biology at the university of Aberdeen. I just =
> >wanted you to have my email adress in case you do get some people to =
> >meet sometime and want to invite me along ;-) No seriously, it might be =
> >interesting for any of us and I just love getting in touch with other =
> >Sudbury people!
> >
> > Good luck to you,
> >
> >
> >
> > Greetz,
> >
> >
> >
> > Regina =3D)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > =20
> > Mit WEB.DE FreePhone mit hoechster Qualitaet ab 0 Ct./Min. =20
> > weltweit telefonieren! =
> >http://freephone.web.de/?mc=3D021201<http://freephone.web.de/?mc=
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> > > =20
> > _______________________________________________
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> ><DIV>Hi Corrina,</DIV>
> ><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
> ><DIV>You should check out Summerhill, I believe the school is in
> Leiston =
> >in=20
> >Soffolk. The school that really started it all. <A=20
> >title=3Dhttp://www.summerhillschool.co.uk/indexgo.html=20
> >href=3D"http://www.summerhillschool.co.uk/indexgo.html">http://ww
> w.summer=
> >hillschool.co.uk/indexgo.html</A>=20
> >if there was an earlier school, I would love to hear about it.</DIV>
> ><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
> ><DIV>Take care,</DIV>
> ><DIV>Jennifer</DIV>
> ><BLOCKQUOTE=20
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> > <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>From:</B> <A =
> >title=3Dmailto:RichLeeb_at_web.de=20
> > href=3D"mailto:RichLeeb_at_web.de">Regina Leeb</A> </DIV>
> > <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
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> > <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> =
> >[Discuss-sudbury-model] interest=20
> > in England? (/Scotland?)</DIV>
> > <DIV><BR></DIV>
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> >href=3D"mailto:discuss-sudbury-model_at_sudval.org">discuss-sudbury-
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> >dval.org</A>=20
> > schrieb am 29.09.04 18:11:38:<BR><BR>Hi to all<BR><BR>Are any of you =
> >based in=20
> > England and/or wanting to set up a Sudbury-based <BR>model =
> >here?<BR><BR>I'm=20
> > teaching in the English state system now and my heart is in the =
> >Sudbury=20
> > <BR>model. I'm interested in either setting up a one-off school or =
> >just going=20
> > <BR>the whole hog and Sudburyifying the English system. Where
> are all =
> >you=20
> > <BR>English people who have this same yearning and the energy
> to start =
> >kicking=20
> > <BR>some ass!?? Surely better late than never....
> ;0)<BR><BR>Love to=20
> > all,<BR>Corrina<BR><BR><BR></P>
> > <P>Hey Corrina,</P>
> > <P>&nbsp;</P>
> > <P>I am not really an 'English person', but based in the UK for the =
> >moment=20
> > anyway (Scotland, that is). I've spent a year&nbsp;at the Australian =
> >Sudbury!=20
> > School, but am originally from Germany. At the moment I am studying=20
> > conservation biology at the university of Aberdeen. I just
> wanted you =
> >to have=20
> > my email adress in case you do get some people to meet sometime and =
> >want to=20
> > invite me along ;-) No seriously, it might be interesting for any of =
> >us and I=20
> > just <EM>love</EM> getting in touch with other Sudbury people!</P>
> > <P>Good luck to you,</P>
> > <P>&nbsp;</P>
> > <P>Greetz,</P>
> > <P>&nbsp;</P>
> > <P>Regina =3D)<BR><BR></P></DIV><BR><BR>
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> >Message: 6
> >From: "Geert Wester" <westerleerdam_at_keyaccess.nl>
> >To: <discuss-sudbury-model_at_sudval.org>
> >Subject: RE: [Discuss-sudbury-model] parenting teens
> >Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 23:32:09 +0200
> >Reply-To: discuss-sudbury-model_at_sudval.org
> >
> >Dear Ann,
> >
> >Sorry if you feel I interrupt in your discussion. I am a father of some
> >teenagers, of which one is on a sudbury-based school here in Holland.
> >I (think I) understand your remarks and feelings. I read the suggestions
> >made in the answers.
> >What strikes me is the two options that are mentioned: to hide
> the feelings
> >or to translate them into decisions.
> >Yes, they are your feelings, and I feel they need to be respected, by
> >yourself as well as by your children.
> >Why not share your feelings, even when they are not clear, about your
> >children and their friends.
> >Why not try to come to a shared decision about what to do?
> >When it comes to trust your children, maybe the trust to share your
> >feelings
> >and the way they will treat you is part of it.
> >
> >Wish you all the best!
> >
> >Geert
> >
> >-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> >Van: discuss-sudbury-model-admin_at_sudval.org
> >[mailto:discuss-sudbury-model-admin_at_sudval.org]Namens Ann Ide
> >Verzonden: dinsdag 28 september 2004 23:17
> >Aan: discuss-sudbury-model_at_sudval.org
> >Onderwerp: Re: [Discuss-sudbury-model] parenting teens
> >
> >
> >Robin,
> >
> >Perhaps if my "feelings" were as strong as yours sound to me, I would be
> >better able to negotiate ( I refuse to take an authoritave approach.
> >Everyone else's feelings count, too !). I think my problem is that I am
> >not
> >secure with my decisions. I don't have the background, criteria,
> >reasoning,
> >etc. for situations that are new to me. It's even harder when
> things come
> >up unexpectedly.
> >
> >Would any of you ( on this list ) leave 6 12-14 year olds home alone ?
> >Older teens ? What about when they start driving; do you condone just
> >driving around ? Do you ask to know where they are at all times? If so,
> >why? If not, why not ? What's the point of a curfew ? All
> these "rules"
> >seem based on mistrust.
> >
> >Ann
> >
> >---- Original Message -----
> >From: <erjackson_at_bham.rr.com>
> >To: <discuss-sudbury-model_at_sudval.org>
> >Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 3:53 PM
> >Subject: Re: [Discuss-sudbury-model] parenting teens
> >
> >
> > > Hi, Ann,
> > > This reminds me of some of my own concerns. It occurs to me
> that you let
> >your husband make the decision and then you weren't happy with his
> >decision,
> >regardless of whether he was right or not. You could have made the
> >decision
> >yourself and said it had to be 10, period, and, regardless of
> whether that
> >was "right", they would have to abide by it, because your feelings count.
> >What occurs to me is that it all turns on my feelings, intuitions,
> >anxieties, etc. My husband is always more relaxed about things like this.
> >Either my feelings about things are important and respected and people
> >abide
> >by the implications etc. or I have to be willing to change my
> feelings with
> >EFT or counseling or biofeedback or something, on the assumption that my
> >concerns are exaggerated. This is not a solution to your problem,
> >obviously,
> >just some thoughts I have had about the problem of anxieties about
> >children -- including younger children testing their wings -- which has
> >troubled me a lot.
> > > Best regards,
> > > Robin
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Ann Ide <ann.ide_at_rcn.com>
> > > Date: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 1:38 pm
> > > Subject: [Discuss-sudbury-model] parenting teens
> > >
> > > > Hi everyone,
> > > >
> > > > Just when you think you're getting the hang of it, a new stage
> > > > comes along, right ? My son is now 14, and I'm feeling like I
> > > > don't know how to make judgement calls as his parent anymore. As
> > > > a Sudbury Valley kid, he has grown to expect trust at school and
> > > > at home. So far, I haven't had a problem with giving it to him.
> > > > But now he is beginning to ask for trust where I am not so sure it
> > > > is okay. For example, he had 5 friends sleepover here over the
> > > > weekend, ages 12-13. After dark,they wanted to walk down to the
> > > > neighborhood center and hang out ( where there is a pizza shop,
> > > > dunkin donuts, etc. ). Around 10 pm, when they still weren't
> > > > home, I sent my husband out to look for them. He came back saying
> > > > they said they would be home by midnight. They were just hanging
> > > > around and talking; and he was fine with it. He did it when he
> > > > was a kid, roaming all over. I was not okay with it. We live in
> > > > a very safe neighborhood. I don't think I am concerned about them
> > > > being approached or attacked, altho' they could meet up with other
> > > > kids looking for trouble; but unlikely around here. Still......
> > > >
> > > > I have read that the part of the brain that is responsible for
> > > > judgement isn't fully developed until much later in life; and that
> > > > is one reason why so many teenagers make "mistakes". They are
> > > > convinced they know what they're doing. ( I think teenagers are
> > > > convinced they know everything else, too. I did! Must be the
> > > > hormone surges.) Anyway, I know that to learn judgement one needs
> > > > to exercise it and learn through experience; but how far do I go
> > > > to allow that to happen.
> > > >
> > > > Some parents allow the girls and boys to sleep in the same room on
> > > > coed sleepovers; otrhers don't. I'm sure more things will show
> > > > up. What criteria do I use in deciding how much to let my
> > > > teenager make his own decisions; and when do I intervene? And, if
> > > > I do, how do I do it without resentment ? So often it is just an
> > > > intangible comfort zone, without any rational reason to
> > > > articulate.
> > > >
> > > > What have you folks learned ?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Ann Ide
> > >
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> >Message: 7
> >From: "Vera Wagemans" <vera-wagemans_at_tiscalinet.be>
> >To: <discuss-sudbury-model_at_sudval.org>
> >Subject: RE: [Discuss-sudbury-model] interest in England? (/Scotland?)
> >Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 11:12:32 +0200
> >Reply-To: discuss-sudbury-model_at_sudval.org
> >
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> >Hi Jennifer,
> >
> >I would not say that Summerhill is a Sudbury School! Maybe they were the
> >first but they are not the same in my opinion.
> >
> >greetz,
> >Vera (in Belgium)
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: discuss-sudbury-model-admin_at_sudval.org
> >[mailto:discuss-sudbury-model-admin_at_sudval.org]On Behalf Of
> Jennifer Blair
> > Sent: woensdag 29 september 2004 22:02
> > To: discuss-sudbury-model_at_sudval.org
> > Subject: Re: [Discuss-sudbury-model] interest in England? (/Scotland?)
> >
> >
> > Hi Corrina,
> >
> > You should check out Summerhill, I believe the school is in Leiston in
> >Soffolk. The school that really started it all.
> >http://www.summerhillschool.co.uk/indexgo.html if there was an earlier
> >school, I would love to hear about it.
> >
> > Take care,
> > Jennifer
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Regina Leeb
> > To: discuss-sudbury-model_at_sudval.org
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 1:04 PM
> > Subject: [Discuss-sudbury-model] interest in England? (/Scotland?)
> >
> >
> > discuss-sudbury-model_at_sudval.org schrieb am 29.09.04 18:11:38:
> >
> > Hi to all
> >
> > Are any of you based in England and/or wanting to set up a
> >Sudbury-based
> > model here?
> >
> > I'm teaching in the English state system now and my heart is in the
> >Sudbury
> > model. I'm interested in either setting up a one-off school or just
> >going
> > the whole hog and Sudburyifying the English system. Where
> are all you
> > English people who have this same yearning and the energy to start
> >kicking
> > some ass!?? Surely better late than never.... ;0)
> >
> > Love to all,
> > Corrina
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hey Corrina,
> >
> >
> >
> > I am not really an 'English person', but based in the UK for the
> >moment
> >anyway (Scotland, that is). I've spent a year at the Australian Sudbury!
> >School, but am originally from Germany. At the moment I am studying
> >conservation biology at the university of Aberdeen. I just wanted you to
> >have my email adress in case you do get some people to meet sometime and
> >want to invite me along ;-) No seriously, it might be
> interesting for any
> >of
> >us and I just love getting in touch with other Sudbury people!
> >
> > Good luck to you,
> >
> >
> >
> > Greetz,
> >
> >
> >
> > Regina =)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Mit WEB.DE FreePhone mit hoechster Qualitaet ab 0 Ct./Min.
> > weltweit telefonieren! http://freephone.web.de/?mc=021201
> > _______________________________________________
> Discuss-sudbury-model
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> ><DIV><SPAN class=3D430140909-30092004>Hi Jennifer,</SPAN></DIV>
> ><DIV><SPAN class=3D430140909-30092004></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
> ><DIV><SPAN class=3D430140909-30092004>I would not say that
> Summerhill is =
> >a Sudbury=20
> >School! Maybe they were the first but they are not the same in my=20
> >opinion.</SPAN></DIV>
> ><DIV><SPAN class=3D430140909-30092004></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
> ><DIV><SPAN class=3D430140909-30092004>greetz,</SPAN></DIV>
> ><DIV><SPAN class=3D430140909-30092004>Vera (in Belgium)</SPAN></DIV>
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> > face=3DTahoma>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20
> > discuss-sudbury-model-admin_at_sudval.org=20
> > [mailto:discuss-sudbury-model-admin_at_sudval.org]<B>On Behalf Of =
> ></B>Jennifer=20
> > Blair<BR><B>Sent:</B> woensdag 29 september 2004
> 22:02<BR><B>To:</B>=20
> > discuss-sudbury-model_at_sudval.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:=20
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> > <DIV>Hi Corrina,</DIV>
> > <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
> > <DIV>You should check out Summerhill, I believe the school is in =
> >Leiston in=20
> > Soffolk. The school that really started it all. <A=20
> > title=3Dhttp://www.summerhillschool.co.uk/indexgo.html=20
> > =
> >href=3D"http://www.summerhillschool.co.uk/indexgo.html">http://ww
> w.summer=
> >hillschool.co.uk/indexgo.html</A>=20
> > if there was an earlier school, I would love to hear about it.</DIV>
> > <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
> > <DIV>Take care,</DIV>
> > <DIV>Jennifer</DIV>
> > <BLOCKQUOTE=20
> > style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
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> > <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
> > <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>From:</B> <A =
> >title=3Dmailto:RichLeeb_at_web.de=20
> > href=3D"mailto:RichLeeb_at_web.de">Regina Leeb</A> </DIV>
> > <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
> > title=3Dmailto:discuss-sudbury-model_at_sudval.org=20
> > =
> >href=3D"mailto:discuss-sudbury-model_at_sudval.org">discuss-sudbury-
> model_at_su=
> >dval.org</A>=20
> > </DIV>
> > <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, September =
> >29, 2004=20
> > 1:04 PM</DIV>
> > <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> =
> >[Discuss-sudbury-model]=20
> > interest in England? (/Scotland?)</DIV>
> > <DIV><BR></DIV>
> > <DIV=20
> > style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 5px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px;
> PADDING-BOTTOM: 5px; =
> >PADDING-TOP: 5px">
> > <P><A title=3Dmailto:discuss-sudbury-model_at_sudval.org=20
> > =
> >href=3D"mailto:discuss-sudbury-model_at_sudval.org">discuss-sudbury-
> model_at_su=
> >dval.org</A>=20
> > schrieb am 29.09.04 18:11:38:<BR><BR>Hi to all<BR><BR>Are
> any of you =
> >based=20
> > in England and/or wanting to set up a Sudbury-based <BR>model=20
> > here?<BR><BR>I'm teaching in the English state system now and my =
> >heart is in=20
> > the Sudbury <BR>model. I'm interested in either setting up
> a one-off =
> >school=20
> > or just going <BR>the whole hog and Sudburyifying the English =
> >system. Where=20
> > are all you <BR>English people who have this same yearning and the =
> >energy to=20
> > start kicking <BR>some ass!?? Surely better late than never....=20
> > ;0)<BR><BR>Love to all,<BR>Corrina<BR><BR><BR></P>
> > <P>Hey Corrina,</P>
> > <P>&nbsp;</P>
> > <P>I am not really an 'English person', but based in the UK
> for the =
> >moment=20
> > anyway (Scotland, that is). I've spent a year&nbsp;at the
> Australian =
> >
> > Sudbury! School, but am originally from Germany. At the
> moment I am =
> >studying=20
> > conservation biology at the university of Aberdeen. I just wanted =
> >you to=20
> > have my email adress in case you do get some people to meet
> sometime =
> >and=20
> > want to invite me along ;-) No seriously, it might be interesting =
> >for any of=20
> > us and I just <EM>love</EM> getting in touch with other Sudbury =
> >people!</P>
> > <P>Good luck to you,</P>
> > <P>&nbsp;</P>
> > <P>Greetz,</P>
> > <P>&nbsp;</P>
> > <P>Regina =3D)<BR><BR></P></DIV><BR><BR>
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> > <TD=20
> > style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12px; LINE-HEIGHT: 17px; FONT-FAMILY: =
> >verdana">Mit=20
> > WEB.DE FreePhone mit hoechster Qualitaet ab 0=20
> > Ct./Min.&nbsp;&nbsp;<BR>weltweit telefonieren! <A=20
> > title=3Dhttp://freephone.web.de/?mc=3D021201=20
> > =
> >href=3D"http://freephone.web.de/?mc=3D021201"><B>http://freephone
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