[Discuss-sudbury-model] Re: Discuss-sudbury-model digest, Vol 1 #157 - 7 msgs

From: wmvh <vivalaarte_at_excite.com>
Date: Thu Apr 15 18:39:01 2004

I understand your predicament Myra. I am also 49, just beginning a life long dream to be an art teacher. (excuse that term). And I will be working in a public middle school. I have been working there the last 2 years as an AIde and often find myself slipping into a role that I do not like.

I feel a little stuck, not having a democratic school nearby, and not having the money or energy to start a new one. I believe that I can do SOME good, just by talking and listening to my students honestly. There is a little more freedom in art classes though the requirements of the school do put a lot of restrictions on activities.

I had a younger friend once, and the relationship had a certain amount of mentor/student to it. Basically, we hung out together, drew together, did goofy things together. He would ask about his artwork and I would respond. But my responce was personal, not institutional.

I am hoping that I can create a personal relationship with my students that somehow overshadows the institutional one that is forced on us. I do not know if it is possible. I know that I have to keep a close check on myself to avoid playing the role.

Other than that, if someone in the Fayetteville, Arkansas area is into starting a democratic school, I am certainly interested in discussing the matter.

 
William Van Horn
http://inmystudio.net

 --- On Wed 04/14, Myra Hunter < myrahunter27_at_yahoo.com > wrote:
From: Myra Hunter [mailto: myrahunter27_at_yahoo.com]
To: discuss-sudbury-model_at_sudval.org
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 16:48:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Discuss-sudbury-model] Re: Discuss-sudbury-model digest, Vol 1 #157 - 7 msgs

<DIV>This is my first post. I discovered the SV concept a couple of years ago. There was a blurb in an "Abraham" newsletter offering a free copy of Free at Last. I am about to graduate with a BS in art education. I'm a 48 year old single mom. I started back to school to be a teacher because I wanted to be closer to my son, and on the same timetable, etc. After I read the book, it so hit home for me. I had heard of the idea of no grades in one of my classes and just sloughed it off. After I read the book, I sat through every education class, every practicum thinking how wrong the public education system ("system") is. Now, I'm at a point where I'm interviewing for jobs and I've had this sick feeling I'm going to really suck in the system, but I'm too broke to start a school. I can see where the system does more damage than good, labeling kids who don't fit in a certain percentile of the verbal/linguistic group as
 everything from ADD/HDD and learning disabled, etc. etc. ad nauseum. I'm near Atlanta and if there is anyone who wants to get a school started anywhere in North Georgia, I'm game, I'll help in any way I can. Please contact me at mhunter627_at_yahoo.com<BR><BR><B><I>discuss-sudbury-model-request_at_sudval.org</I></B> wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">Send Discuss-sudbury-model mailing list submissions to<BR>discuss-sudbury-model@sudval.org<BR><BR>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<BR>http://www.sudval.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/discuss-sudbury-model<BR>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<BR>discuss-sudbury-model-request@sudval.org<BR><BR>You can reach the person managing the list at<BR>discuss-sudbury-model-admin@sudval.org<BR><BR>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<BR>than "Re: Contents of Discuss-sudbury-model digest..."<BR><BR><BR>Today's Topics:<BR><BR>1. Re: Rightwing SVS's?/American values (Sheila)<BR>2. exposure (Mydlack, Daniel J.)<BR>3. RE: exposure (Alan Klein)<BR>4. RE: exposure (Carmel Sullivian-Boss)<BR>5. Re: Re: [Discuss-sudbury-model] (Ann Ide)<BR>6. Cultural transformation (Sally Rosloff)<BR>7. Re: Orgnizing Sudbury
 (Sugmapl@aol.com)<BR><BR>--__--__--<BR><BR>Message: 1<BR>From: "Sheila" <SHERAN@PTD.NET><BR>To: <DISCUSS-SUDBURY-MODEL@SUDVAL.ORG><BR>Subject: Re: [Discuss-sudbury-model] Rightwing SVS's?/American values<BR>Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 17:14:04 -0400<BR>Reply-To: discuss-sudbury-model@sudval.org<BR><BR>Here's an article in an Oregon newspaper that talks about both unschooling<BR>and Sudburies. :)<BR>http://www.registerguard.com/news/2004/04/04/a1.unschooling.0404.html<BR>Sheila<BR><BR><BR>--__--__--<BR><BR>Message: 2<BR>Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 21:56:22 -0400<BR>From: "Mydlack, Daniel J." <DMYDLACK@TOWSON.EDU><BR>To: <DISCUSS-SUDBURY-MODEL@SUDVAL.ORG><BR>Subject: [Discuss-sudbury-model] exposure<BR>Reply-To: discuss-sudbury-model@sudval.org<BR><BR>This is a multi-part message in MIME format.<BR><BR>------_=_NextPart_001_01C41B7A.5C8F5B2D<BR>Content-Type: text/plain;<BR>charset="Windows-1252"<BR>Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable<BR><BR>Hi All,<BR><BR>This is my first post.<B!
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 have been shooting a documentary of a local SVS (and interested Holt =<BR>for the past 20 years) and am forming plans to initiate an SVS startup =<BR>over the next few years.<BR><BR>What do folks think about staff and enlightened parents actively =<BR>offering presentations during school time as well as the possibility of =<BR>staff initiating residencies of artists, scholars, working professionals =<BR>on the premises of an SVS school?<BR><BR>PLEASE NOTE, any attendance to these would be entirely voluntary and =<BR>event offering would make every effort to not disturb the entire campus. =<BR>Also, all presentations or residencies would adhere to a strict policy =<BR>of non-coercion (come-and-go-friendly) with an emphasis on the =<BR>presenter/resident manifesting an authentic personal interest or =<BR>on-going practice (rather than a workshop on any random topic deemed to =<BR>be 'valuable.")<BR><BR>I really understand the importance of non-interventon in the flow of =<BR>!
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<P><FONT size=3>Hi All,<BR><BR><BR><BR>This is my first post.<BR><BR><BR><BR>I have been shooting a documentary of a local SVS (and interested Holt =<BR>for the past 20 years) and am forming plans to initiate an SVS startup =<BR>over the next few years.<BR><BR><BR><BR>What do folks think about staff and enlightened parents actively =<BR>offering presentations during school time as well as the possibility of =<BR>staff initiating residencies of artists, scholars, working professionals =<BR>on the premises of an SVS school?<BR><BR><BR><BR>PLEASE NOTE, any attendance to these would be entirely voluntary and =<BR>event offering would make every effort to not disturb the entire campus. =<BR>Also, all presentations or residencies would adhere to a strict policy =<BR>of non-coercion (come-and-go-friendly) with an emphasis on the =<BR>presenter/resident manifesting an authentic personal interest or =<BR>on-going practice (rather than a workshop on any random topic deemed to =<BR>be
 'valuable.")<BR><BR><BR><BR>I really understand the importance of non-interventon in the flow of =<BR>student's unfolding days and the delicacy of some students immunity to =<BR>even the hint of coercion.<BR><BR><BR><BR>Danny</FONT><BR></P><BR><BR><BR><BR>------_=_NextPart_001_01C41B7A.5C8F5B2D--<BR><BR>--__--__--<BR><BR>Message: 3<BR>From: "Alan Klein" <ALAN_at_KLEIN.NET><BR>To: <DISCUSS-SUDBURY-MODEL_at_SUDVAL.ORG><BR>Subject: RE: [Discuss-sudbury-model] exposure<BR>Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 00:12:41 -0400<BR>Reply-To: discuss-sudbury-model_at_sudval.org<BR><BR>This is a multi-part message in MIME format.<BR><BR>------=_NextPart_000_0060_01C41B6B.E27BC7B0<BR>Content-Type: text/plain;<BR>charset="US-ASCII"<BR>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit<BR><BR>If the School Meeting approves it, either directly or through a<BR>pre-approval vote for this type of activity, then I say go ahead. If it<BR>is the staff or parents usurping resources, then I say don't do it.<BR><BR>~Alan Klein<BR><BR>-----O!
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<P><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3><SPAN ="<br">style=3D'font-size:<BR>10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'&gt;-----Original Message-----<BR><BR><B><SPAN>From:</SPAN></B> =<BR>discuss-sudbury-model-admin_at_sudval.org<BR>[mailto:discuss-sudbury-model-admin_at_sudval.org] <B><SPAN ="<br">style=3D'font-weight:<BR>bold'&gt;On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Mydlack, Daniel J.<BR><BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT size=3><SPAN>What do =<BR>folks think<BR>about staff and enlightened parents actively offering presentations =<BR>during<BR>school time as well as the possibility of staff initiating residencies =<BR>of<BR>artists, scholars, working professionals on the premises of an SVS =<BR>school?<BR><BR><BR><BR>PLEASE NOTE, any attendance to these would be entirely voluntary and =<BR>event<BR>offering would make every effort to not disturb the entire campus. Also, =<BR>all<BR>presentations or residencies would adhere to a strict policy of =<BR>non-coercion<BR>(come-and-go-friendly) with an emphasis on the presenter/resident
 =<BR>manifesting<BR>an authentic personal interest or on-going practice (rather than a =<BR>workshop on<BR>any random topic deemed to be 'valuable.")</SPAN></FONT> =<BR><o:p></o:p></P><BR><BR></DIV><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>------=_NextPart_000_0060_01C41B6B.E27BC7B0--<BR><BR><BR>--__--__--<BR><BR>Message: 4<BR>Subject: RE: [Discuss-sudbury-model] exposure<BR>Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 20:13:40 -0700<BR>From: "Carmel Sullivian-Boss" <CARMEL_at_CO-ABODE.COM><BR>To: <DISCUSS-SUDBURY-MODEL_at_SUDVAL.ORG><BR>Reply-To: discuss-sudbury-model_at_sudval.org<BR><BR>This is a multi-part message in MIME format.<BR><BR>------_=_NextPart_001_01C41B85.29123178<BR>Content-Type: text/plain;<BR>charset="us-ascii"<BR>Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable<BR><BR>Where will your start up be?<BR><BR>=20<BR><BR>=20<BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: Mydlack, Daniel J. [mailto:dmydlack_at_towson.edu]=20<BR>Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 6:56 PM<BR>To: discuss-sudbury-model_at_sudval.org<BR>Subject:
 [Discuss-sudbury-model] exposure<BR><BR>=20<BR><BR>Hi All,<BR><BR>This is my first post.<BR><BR>I have been shooting a documentary of a local SVS (and interested Holt<BR>for the past 20 years) and am forming plans to initiate an SVS startup<BR>over the next few years.<BR><BR>What do folks think about staff and enlightened parents actively<BR>offering presentations during school time as well as the possibility of<BR>staff initiating residencies of artists, scholars, working professionals<BR>on the premises of an SVS school?<BR><BR>PLEASE NOTE, any attendance to these would be entirely voluntary and<BR>event offering would make every effort to not disturb the entire campus.<BR>Also, all presentations or residencies would adhere to a strict policy<BR>of non-coercion (come-and-go-friendly) with an emphasis on the<BR>presenter/resident manifesting an authentic personal interest or<BR>on-going practice (rather than a workshop on any random topic deemed to<BR>be 'valuable.")<BR><B!
R>I
 really understand the importance of non-interventon in the flow of<BR>student's unfolding days and the delicacy of some students immunity to<BR>even the hint of coercion.<BR><BR>Danny=20<BR><BR><BR>------_=_NextPart_001_01C41B85.29123178<BR>Content-Type: text/html;<BR>charset="us-ascii"<BR>Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3 ="<br">face=3DTahoma&gt;<SPAN<BR>style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'&gt;-----Original =<BR>Message-----<BR><BR><B><SPAN>From:</SPAN></B> Mydlack, Daniel J.<BR>[mailto:dmydlack_at_towson.edu] <BR><BR><B><SPAN>Sent:</SPAN></B> Monday, April 05, =<BR>2004 6:56<BR>PM<BR><BR><B><SPAN>To:</SPAN></B><BR>discuss-sudbury-model_at_sudval.org<BR><BR><B><SPAN>Subject:</SPAN></B> =<BR>[Discuss-sudbury-model]<BR>exposure</SPAN></FONT></P><BR><BR>
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<P><FONT face='3D"Times' size=3 New="<br">Roman"&gt;<SPAN<BR>style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'&gt;Hi All,<BR><BR><BR><BR>This is my first post.<BR><BR><BR><BR>I have been shooting a documentary of a local SVS (and interested Holt =<BR>for the<BR>past 20 years) and am forming plans to initiate an SVS startup over the =<BR>next<BR>few years.<BR><BR><BR><BR>What do folks think about staff and enlightened parents actively =<BR>offering<BR>presentations during school time as well as the possibility of staff =<BR>initiating<BR>residencies of artists, scholars, working professionals on the premises =<BR>of an<BR>SVS school?<BR><BR><BR><BR>PLEASE NOTE, any attendance to these would be entirely voluntary and =<BR>event<BR>offering would make every effort to not disturb the entire campus. Also, =<BR>all<BR>presentations or residencies would adhere to a strict policy of =<BR>non-coercion<BR>(come-and-go-friendly) with an emphasis on the presenter/resident =<BR>manifesting<BR>an authentic pers!
onal
 interest or on-going practice (rather than a =<BR>workshop on<BR>any random topic deemed to be 'valuable.")<BR><BR><BR><BR>I really understand the importance of non-interventon in the flow of =<BR>student's<BR>unfolding days and the delicacy of some students immunity to even the =<BR>hint of<BR>coercion.<BR><BR><BR><BR>Danny</SPAN></FONT> </P><BR><BR></DIV><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>=00<BR>------_=_NextPart_001_01C41B85.29123178--<BR><BR>--__--__--<BR><BR>Message: 5<BR>From: "Ann Ide" <ANN.IDE_at_RCN.COM><BR>To: <DISCUSS-SUDBURY-MODEL_at_SUDVAL.ORG><BR>Subject: Re: [Discuss-sudbury-model] Re: [Discuss-sudbury-model]<BR>Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 15:45:15 -0400<BR>Reply-To: discuss-sudbury-model_at_sudval.org<BR><BR>Tay,<BR><BR>Please forgive the delayed response. I'd love to hear more about your post<BR>SVS life and how the school prepared you for it. What path did you take<BR>after school? How long were you at SVS ? Sounds like a thesis; but it's<BR>different hearing it from your perspective n!
ow, 8
 years later.<BR><BR>Thank you !<BR><BR>Ann Ide<BR>----- Original Message -----<BR>From: "Tay Arrow Sherman" <SPIREGRAIN_at_MAD.SCIENTIST.COM><BR>To: <DISCUSS-SUDBURY-MODEL_at_SUDVAL.ORG><BR>Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 6:57 PM<BR>Subject: [Discuss-sudbury-model] Re: [Discuss-sudbury-model]<BR><BR><BR>&gt; Hi Sam,<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; Turning out badly is very much in the eye of the beholder, isnt it? Whats<BR>your definition, can we use that?<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; If you'd like to ask me about how SVS prepared me for post-SVS life, I<BR>would be happy to have extended dialogue with you.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; Peace,<BR>&gt; Tay Arrow Sherman, SVS graduating class of 1996<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; Is there any information about people who went through a government type<BR>&gt; school or any other type of school and turned out badly? Pick any<BR>definition<BR>&gt; of badly you'd like :)<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; ~ David ;)<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; ----- Original Message -----<BR>&gt; From: "Sam Patton"
 <SAM_PATTON_at_HOTMAIL.COM><BR>&gt; To: <DISCUSS-SUDBURY-MODEL_at_SUDVAL.ORG><BR>&gt; Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 3:13 AM<BR>&gt; Subject: [Discuss-sudbury-model] Sudbury Valley graduates who fail<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; Is there any information about people who went through a Sudbury Valley<BR>&gt; type<BR>&gt; &gt; school and turned out badly? Pick any definition of badly you'd like :)<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; Sudbury Valley sounds too good to be true. I don't have any kids, but<BR>I'm<BR>&gt; &gt; already arguing with my girlfriend about whether this would be a good<BR>way<BR>&gt; to<BR>&gt; &gt; educate our "potential future" children. One of the things I'd like to<BR>&gt; know<BR>&gt; &gt; is how the students turn out in later life. Do they miss out on<BR>anything<BR>&gt; &gt; that they really needed that a more traditional school would have<BR>&gt; provided?<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; sam<BR>&gt; --<BR>&gt; ___________________________________________________________<!
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 Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com<BR>&gt; http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; _______________________________________________<BR>&gt; Discuss-sudbury-model mailing list<BR>&gt; Discuss-sudbury-model@sudval.org<BR>&gt; http://www.sudval.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/discuss-sudbury-model<BR>&gt;<BR><BR><BR><BR>--__--__--<BR><BR>Message: 6<BR>Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2004 17:52:33 -0700<BR>To: discuss-sudbury-model@sudval.org<BR>From: Sally Rosloff <SALLYR@SOCAL.RR.COM><BR>Subject: [Discuss-sudbury-model] Cultural transformation<BR>Reply-To: discuss-sudbury-model@sudval.org<BR><BR>I read Ron Miller's book "What are Schools For?" where he suggests that <BR>holistic models have not and may not become widespread until there is a <BR>more general cultural transformation.<BR><BR>Other than free schools serving as models and folks publishing about them, <BR>what are you doing or what can be done to work at spreading the word, so to <BR>speak? I live in the San Fernando Valley !
of Los
 Angeles and other than <BR>Play Mountain Place don't know of another "free" school in the whole <BR>area. I am someone who has been open to alternatives and searching for <BR>them and it took much research and my own development to finally educate <BR>myself through the internet about free schools.<BR><BR>I am involved with a group of people meeting to talk of starting a school <BR>and when I think about the possibility of using the Sudbury model I wonder <BR>who would enroll...we would want a cross section of folks and it seems that <BR>most folks are still focused on the traditional model, even if very unhappy <BR>with it, believing, as I once did, the rationale of preparing for college <BR>to have a greater chance of a successful life. How do we even begin to get <BR>across the Sudbury ideas when it seems so radical to people used to the <BR>traditional model? In one to one conversation we can educate, inform, <BR><BR>=== message truncated
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