[Discuss-sudbury-model] Re: Discuss-sudbury-model digest, Vol 1 #157 - 7 msgs

From: Myra Hunter <myrahunter27_at_yahoo.com>
Date: Wed Apr 14 19:50:01 2004

This is my first post. I discovered the SV concept a couple of years ago. There was a blurb in an "Abraham" newsletter offering a free copy of Free at Last. I am about to graduate with a BS in art education. I'm a 48 year old single mom. I started back to school to be a teacher because I wanted to be closer to my son, and on the same timetable, etc. After I read the book, it so hit home for me. I had heard of the idea of no grades in one of my classes and just sloughed it off. After I read the book, I sat through every education class, every practicum thinking how wrong the public education system ("system") is. Now, I'm at a point where I'm interviewing for jobs and I've had this sick feeling I'm going to really suck in the system, but I'm too broke to start a school. I can see where the system does more damage than good, labeling kids who don't fit in a certain percentile of the verbal/linguistic group as everything from ADD/HDD and learning disabled, etc. etc. ad
 nauseum. I'm near Atlanta and if there is anyone who wants to get a school started anywhere in North Georgia, I'm game, I'll help in any way I can. Please contact me at mhunter627_at_yahoo.com

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1. Re: Rightwing SVS's?/American values (Sheila)
2. exposure (Mydlack, Daniel J.)
3. RE: exposure (Alan Klein)
4. RE: exposure (Carmel Sullivian-Boss)
5. Re: Re: [Discuss-sudbury-model] (Ann Ide)
6. Cultural transformation (Sally Rosloff)
7. Re: Orgnizing Sudbury (Sugmapl_at_aol.com)

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Message: 1
From: "Sheila"
To:
Subject: Re: [Discuss-sudbury-model] Rightwing SVS's?/American values
Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 17:14:04 -0400
Reply-To: discuss-sudbury-model_at_sudval.org

Here's an article in an Oregon newspaper that talks about both unschooling
and Sudburies. :)
http://www.registerguard.com/news/2004/04/04/a1.unschooling.0404.html
Sheila

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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 21:56:22 -0400
From: "Mydlack, Daniel J."
To:
Subject: [Discuss-sudbury-model] exposure
Reply-To: discuss-sudbury-model_at_sudval.org

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Hi All,

This is my first post.

I have been shooting a documentary of a local SVS (and interested Holt =
for the past 20 years) and am forming plans to initiate an SVS startup =
over the next few years.

What do folks think about staff and enlightened parents actively =
offering presentations during school time as well as the possibility of =
staff initiating residencies of artists, scholars, working professionals =
on the premises of an SVS school?

PLEASE NOTE, any attendance to these would be entirely voluntary and =
event offering would make every effort to not disturb the entire campus. =
Also, all presentations or residencies would adhere to a strict policy =
of non-coercion (come-and-go-friendly) with an emphasis on the =
presenter/resident manifesting an authentic personal interest or =
on-going practice (rather than a workshop on any random topic deemed to =
be 'valuable.")

I really understand the importance of non-interventon in the flow of =
student's unfolding days and the delicacy of some students immunity to =
even the hint of coercion.

Danny

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Hi All,

This is my first post.

I have been shooting a documentary of a local SVS (and interested Holt =
for the past 20 years) and am forming plans to initiate an SVS startup =
over the next few years.

What do folks think about staff and enlightened parents actively =
offering presentations during school time as well as the possibility of =
staff initiating residencies of artists, scholars, working professionals =
on the premises of an SVS school?

PLEASE NOTE, any attendance to these would be entirely voluntary and =
event offering would make every effort to not disturb the entire campus. =
Also, all presentations or residencies would adhere to a strict policy =
of non-coercion (come-and-go-friendly) with an emphasis on the =
presenter/resident manifesting an authentic personal interest or =
on-going practice (rather than a workshop on any random topic deemed to =
be 'valuable.")

I really understand the importance of non-interventon in the flow of =
student's unfolding days and the delicacy of some students immunity to =
even the hint of coercion.

Danny

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Message: 3
From: "Alan Klein"
To:
Subject: RE: [Discuss-sudbury-model] exposure
Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 00:12:41 -0400
Reply-To: discuss-sudbury-model_at_sudval.org

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If the School Meeting approves it, either directly or through a
pre-approval vote for this type of activity, then I say go ahead. If it
is the staff or parents usurping resources, then I say don't do it.

~Alan Klein

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[mailto:discuss-sudbury-model-admin_at_sudval.org] On Behalf Of Mydlack,
Daniel J.
What do folks think about staff and enlightened parents actively
offering presentations during school time as well as the possibility of
staff initiating residencies of artists, scholars, working professionals
on the premises of an SVS school?

PLEASE NOTE, any attendance to these would be entirely voluntary and
event offering would make every effort to not disturb the entire campus.
Also, all presentations or residencies would adhere to a strict policy
of non-coercion (come-and-go-friendly) with an emphasis on the
presenter/resident manifesting an authentic personal interest or
on-going practice (rather than a workshop on any random topic deemed to
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What do =
folks think
about staff and enlightened parents actively offering presentations =
during
school time as well as the possibility of staff initiating residencies =
of
artists, scholars, working professionals on the premises of an SVS =
school?

PLEASE NOTE, any attendance to these would be entirely voluntary and =
event
offering would make every effort to not disturb the entire campus. Also, =
all
presentations or residencies would adhere to a strict policy of =
non-coercion
(come-and-go-friendly) with an emphasis on the presenter/resident =
manifesting
an authentic personal interest or on-going practice (rather than a =
workshop on
any random topic deemed to be 'valuable.") =

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Message: 4
Subject: RE: [Discuss-sudbury-model] exposure
Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 20:13:40 -0700
From: "Carmel Sullivian-Boss"
To:
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Where will your start up be?

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From: Mydlack, Daniel J. [mailto:dmydlack_at_towson.edu]=20
Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 6:56 PM
To: discuss-sudbury-model_at_sudval.org
Subject: [Discuss-sudbury-model] exposure

=20

Hi All,

This is my first post.

I have been shooting a documentary of a local SVS (and interested Holt
for the past 20 years) and am forming plans to initiate an SVS startup
over the next few years.

What do folks think about staff and enlightened parents actively
offering presentations during school time as well as the possibility of
staff initiating residencies of artists, scholars, working professionals
on the premises of an SVS school?

PLEASE NOTE, any attendance to these would be entirely voluntary and
event offering would make every effort to not disturb the entire campus.
Also, all presentations or residencies would adhere to a strict policy
of non-coercion (come-and-go-friendly) with an emphasis on the
presenter/resident manifesting an authentic personal interest or
on-going practice (rather than a workshop on any random topic deemed to
be 'valuable.")

I really understand the importance of non-interventon in the flow of
student's unfolding days and the delicacy of some students immunity to
even the hint of coercion.

Danny=20

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From: Mydlack, Daniel J.
[mailto:dmydlack_at_towson.edu]

Sent: Monday, April 05, =
2004 6:56
PM

To:
discuss-sudbury-model_at_sudval.org

Subject: =
[Discuss-sudbury-model]
exposure

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Roman">style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Hi All,

This is my first post.

I have been shooting a documentary of a local SVS (and interested Holt =
for the
past 20 years) and am forming plans to initiate an SVS startup over the =
next
few years.

What do folks think about staff and enlightened parents actively =
offering
presentations during school time as well as the possibility of staff =
initiating
residencies of artists, scholars, working professionals on the premises =
of an
SVS school?

PLEASE NOTE, any attendance to these would be entirely voluntary and =
event
offering would make every effort to not disturb the entire campus. Also, =
all
presentations or residencies would adhere to a strict policy of =
non-coercion
(come-and-go-friendly) with an emphasis on the presenter/resident =
manifesting
an authentic personal interest or on-going practice (rather than a =
workshop on
any random topic deemed to be 'valuable.")

I really understand the importance of non-interventon in the flow of =
student's
unfolding days and the delicacy of some students immunity to even the =
hint of
coercion.

Danny

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Message: 5
From: "Ann Ide"
To:
Subject: Re: [Discuss-sudbury-model] Re: [Discuss-sudbury-model]
Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 15:45:15 -0400
Reply-To: discuss-sudbury-model_at_sudval.org

Tay,

Please forgive the delayed response. I'd love to hear more about your post
SVS life and how the school prepared you for it. What path did you take
after school? How long were you at SVS ? Sounds like a thesis; but it's
different hearing it from your perspective now, 8 years later.

Thank you !

Ann Ide
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tay Arrow Sherman"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 6:57 PM
Subject: [Discuss-sudbury-model] Re: [Discuss-sudbury-model]

> Hi Sam,
>
> Turning out badly is very much in the eye of the beholder, isnt it? Whats
your definition, can we use that?
>
> If you'd like to ask me about how SVS prepared me for post-SVS life, I
would be happy to have extended dialogue with you.
>
> Peace,
> Tay Arrow Sherman, SVS graduating class of 1996
>
>
>
> Is there any information about people who went through a government type
> school or any other type of school and turned out badly? Pick any
definition
> of badly you'd like :)
>
> ~ David ;)
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sam Patton"
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 3:13 AM
> Subject: [Discuss-sudbury-model] Sudbury Valley graduates who fail
>
>
> > Is there any information about people who went through a Sudbury Valley
> type
> > school and turned out badly? Pick any definition of badly you'd like :)
> >
> > Sudbury Valley sounds too good to be true. I don't have any kids, but
I'm
> > already arguing with my girlfriend about whether this would be a good
way
> to
> > educate our "potential future" children. One of the things I'd like to
> know
> > is how the students turn out in later life. Do they miss out on
anything
> > that they really needed that a more traditional school would have
> provided?
> >
> > sam
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2004 17:52:33 -0700
To: discuss-sudbury-model_at_sudval.org
From: Sally Rosloff
Subject: [Discuss-sudbury-model] Cultural transformation
Reply-To: discuss-sudbury-model_at_sudval.org

I read Ron Miller's book "What are Schools For?" where he suggests that
holistic models have not and may not become widespread until there is a
more general cultural transformation.

Other than free schools serving as models and folks publishing about them,
what are you doing or what can be done to work at spreading the word, so to
speak? I live in the San Fernando Valley of Los Angeles and other than
Play Mountain Place don't know of another "free" school in the whole
area. I am someone who has been open to alternatives and searching for
them and it took much research and my own development to finally educate
myself through the internet about free schools.

I am involved with a group of people meeting to talk of starting a school
and when I think about the possibility of using the Sudbury model I wonder
who would enroll...we would want a cross section of folks and it seems that
most folks are still focused on the traditional model, even if very unhappy
with it, believing, as I once did, the rationale of preparing for college
to have a greater chance of a successful life. How do we even begin to get
across the Sudbury ideas when it seems so radical to people used to the
traditional model? In one to one conversation we can educate, inform,

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Merry Christmas,
Myra Hunter

                
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