RE: [Discuss-sudbury-model] Can a Democratic School Provide a Jewish Education?

From: Marilu Diaz <madiaz_at_puertorico.fcb.com>
Date: Sat Oct 18 20:09:01 2003

I think it would be very hard for a Jewish born child ('taught jewish
values, etc) to learn about any other choice, specially if he goes to a
Jewish school meant to promote Jewish heritage.

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On Friday, October 17, 2003, at 03:09 PM, David Rovner wrote:

> "And he said: Your children are not your children. They are the sons
> and daughters of Life's longing for itself. They come through you but
> not from you, And though they are with you, yet they belong not to
> you. You may give them your love but not your thoughts. For they have
> their own thoughts. You may house their bodies but not their souls,
> For their souls dwell in the house of tomorrow, which you cannot
> visit, not even in your dreams.
>
> You may strive to be like them, but seek not to make them like you.
> For life goes not backward nor tarries with yesterday. You are the
> bows from which your children as living arrows are sent forth. The
> archer sees the mark upon the path of the infinite, and He bends you
> with His might that His arrows may go swift and far.
>
> Let your bending in the archer's hand be for gladness; For even as he
> loves the arrow that flies, so He loves also the bow that is stable."
>
> "The Prophet," Gibran Khalil Gibran

True; but this doesn't jive with the thoughts expressed by the writer
of the article, namely:

"If, on the other hand, Jewish education is about actively promoting
JEWISH HERITAGE AND VALUES [my emphasis- A] in children, then
Democratic schools may give parents a fighting chance."

This does not jive with "... seek not to make them like you". What if
children born Jewish prefer to convert to Islam?

Ardeshir <http://homepage.mac.com/ardeshir/AllMyFiles.html>

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ardeshir Mehta" <ardeshir_at_sympatico.ca>
> To: <discuss-sudbury-model_at_sudval.org>
> Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 1:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [Discuss-sudbury-model] Can a Democratic School Provide a
> Jewish Education?
>>
>> On Friday, October 17, 2003, at 05:21 AM, David Rovner wrote:
>>
>>> "The question remains whether it is possible to reconcile the
>>> rabbinic injunctions to 'teach your child' with the Democratic
>>> school's motto of 'let them be'."
>>>
>>> "It is this trust that can produce children who study when they get
>>> bored, instead of children who get bored of their studies."
>>>
>>> Read this interesting article posted in the Jerusalem Democratic
>>> School website:
>>>
>>> Can a Democratic School Provide a Jewish Education?
>>>
>>> http://jdemschool.tripod.com/aricle12jewishedu.htm
>>
>> The article concludes:
>>
>> [QUOTE]
>>
>> Democratic education compels parents and educators to let go of the
>> illusion that they control children's minds. If Jewish education is
>> about holding on to this illusion, then no, Democratic schools will
>> not provide this type of education. If, on the other hand, Jewish
>> education is about actively promoting Jewish heritage and values in
>> children, then Democratic schools may give parents a fighting chance.
>>
>> Democratic schools are proactive in their approach to education, but
>> they replace the cries of 'teach them, teach them' with exhortations
>> to 'trust them, trust them'. It is this trust that can produce
>> children who study when they get bored, instead of children who get
>> bored of their studies. It is this tolerance that can produce
>> children who respect themselves and go on to respect others. It is in
>> this atmosphere of freedom that Torah will survive as our children
>> find intrinsic meaning in its words.
>>
>> May we all merit to raise children occupied in Torah and mitzvot.
>>
>> [END QUOTE]
>>
>> I wonder what the writer might say if, after the children are
>> "trusted, trusted and trusted", a whole lot of them end up, as
>> adults, thinking exactly like Karl Marx or Lev Davidovich Bronstein
>> (i.e., Leon Trotsky).
>>
>> Genuine trust requires the ability to allow and even encourage one's
>> children to think for themselves *even* if the things they end up
>> thinking are exactly the opposite of one's own most cherished
>> beliefs. Otherwise it's merely sham trust.
>>
>> Ardeshir http://homepage.mac.com/ardeshir/AllMyFiles.html

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