[Discuss-sudbury-model] "Kol avoda mechabedet et baala" (was . . . More questions from Florida)

From: David Rovner <rovners_at_netvision.net.il>
Date: Sun Sep 21 05:35:01 2003

I like Neill's approach.
"Kol avoda mechabedet et baala," Hebrew (literally) for, "Every assignment
honors its accomplisher/doer"
I think *every function/role-doer should be recompensed/rewarded.*
Perhaps this is "a healthy reminder to all concerned that there exist
important things in life other than the ideals to which the few are
committed. In this way, perspective can be mantained even while a struggle
is being waged."

Money makes the world go round . . . , the world go round . . ., the world
go round . . . etc., etc.

~ David (:

----- Original Message -----
From: <JerryAERO_at_aol.com>
To: <discuss-sudbury-model_at_sudval.org>
Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 7:20 AM
Subject: Re: [Discuss-sudbury-model] More questions from Florida...

> Every school seems to handle cleaning up with a different approach, but
with simiular results!
> At Summerhill, Neill believed that keeping the school clean was of little
interest to younger students, but important to the adults, so he employed
people who were paid to clean the school.
> At my school, the meeting tried various things, but the most effective
system was when they decided to elect a cleanup supervisor each week, who
would be paid $5 if the school was clean. The supervisor's job was to get as
many people as possible to clean the school, but would have to do some
things his or herself if not able to get people to do their jobs.
> Jerry

----- Original Message -----
From: David Rovner
To: discuss-sudbury-model_at_sudval.org
Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 12:55 AM
Subject: [Discuss-sudbury-model] cleaning . . . for Terry

Hi Terri,
I want to remind you two places where Daniel Greenberg tells us about the

Maybe you read "Free at Last" ?
If you have, or if you haven't, let me bring two places where Daniel
Greenberg tells us about the subject.

How Daniel Greenberg puts it ?:

One is "The School Meeting":
". . . Some strange regulations find their way into the code from time to
time. Early on, people were dropping papers and trash all over the campus,
and we struggled with a way to keep it clean. As the debate went on, it
became clear that some people cared a lot more about the problem than
others. There was no obvious way to force the slobs to yield the field to
the aesthetics tastes of the fussy ones. Finally, Jack proposed a solution:
'Let them that litter, litter; let them that pick up, pick up.'
Laissez-faire at its extreme. A weary meeting adopted the aphorism, and the
rule stayed on the books for two years until the slobs gave in . . ."

The second piece, "Cleaning," tells us the saga.
The second piece, "Cleaning," is a long one, and it's protected by
Copyrights. So I suggest you to take a look at its source.
Maybe just a small excerpt to feel the spirit:
And it starts,
"Over the years, no mundane problem has occupied the school more than
cleaning . . ."

 So I suggest you to take a look at the source.

Lot's of luck,
~ David

> In a message dated 9/20/2003 3:27:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "Ann Ide"
<ann.ide_at_rcn.com> writes:
> >Hi Terri,
> >
> >I'm just a parent from the Sudbury Valley School; so my perspective is
> >that. When I'm at school, I hear the staff express their concerns quite
> >readily. Staff and students have equal rights and status; so if something
> >is bothering them why shouldn't they say something? I suspect they
> >their share at school meeting, too. Part of the role of being staff is
> >being mentors and role models, is it not? Keeping school clean seems to
> >in with that, to me. Our school also has rules about cleaning up after
> >oneself. I suggest you bring that idea to meeting. IMHO, you are being
> >oversensitive to how the kids will perceive you and learn this democratic
> >way of life. How about just being authentic and letting it all fall into
> >place with time. Trust yourself more.
> >
> >Good luck,
> >Ann Ide
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "terri" <ttand.aj_at_verizon.net>
> >To: <discuss-sudbury-model_at_sudval.org>
> >Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 5:55 PM
> >Subject: [Discuss-sudbury-model] More questions from Florida...
> >
> >
> >> Thank you all for help re: staff the staff's role in a democratic
> >> school!
> >> Its really great to have a resource of those who have been a part of a
> >> school like ours!!
> >>
> >> Our greatest struggle seems to be ignoring the FILTH throughout the
> >> day!! :o) I'm sure that ours is not the only bunch who doesn't
> >> automatically wash their dishes, clean up their experiments, etc. There
> >> is no law in place regarding these type of issues, and we (staff) are
> >> reluctant to bring one up as we are hoping that the kids recognise this
> >> as a problem and THEY bring it up....are we being too idealistic? I
> >> mean, do you guys point out things to your kids? See, we are trying not
> >> to because we are trying to UN-do the fact that our kids automatically
> >> see us as the grown-ups, authority figures, disciplinarians, etc....so
> >> we are planning to ease into equal status of suggesting laws, etc. They
> >> have been doing a pretty great job of cleaning up at the end of the
> >> although I do see a day when they are going to revolt and decide to not
> >> cean at all....
> >>
> >> Right now the moderator (who checks on the others' work) is also
> >> cleaning what the others don't do.....I don't know if that was actually
> >> part of her duties but she ws pretty upset the last 2 days because
> >> people weren't completing their duties. We are in Florida and where
> >> is concerned, bugs can come quickly, so leaving it accumulate is really
> >> not an option. She did fine the offenders, but I'm sure everyone's jobs
> >> were made more difficult by the fact that they were so messy today. We
> >> operate out of 2 houses (lovingly referred to as Left Brain & Right
> >> Brain due to their location & what they house) and both houses were
> >> pretty well trashed today....
> >>
> >> ....Thank you!!...terri<><
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