RE: [Discuss-sudbury-model] On Playing Frogger

From: Joe Jackson <>
Date: Sun Mar 2 12:03:00 2003

I absolutely agree that there a plenty of fun and useful things a person
can do in addition to playing games. However I don't think that's
really the essential debate that takes place in the heads of most
prospective Sudbury parents.

The debate is whether they are willing to lose the rewards of having
their children decide for *themselves* what is important for them to do,
in order for them to do make them do some specific thing that may or may
not be more valuable for them.

My position, based on experience, is that the rewards of allowing
children to be responsible for governing their lives far outweighs any
particular value I put on a given activity AND it's kind of silly,
because when my children are adults they will likely mimic many of the
things I modeled for them when they were young anyway.

So I could sit around weighing the various value of activities all day,
but the abstract, relative differences in value between random
activities are not really relevent to the question of whether to repress
the child's innate self-learner or not.


> -----Original Message-----
> From:
> [] On Behalf Of
> Heidi Crane
> Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 11:37 AM
> To:
> Subject: [Discuss-sudbury-model] On Playing Frogger
> Me again *sheesh*
> Some of my best "marinating" is when I'm folding laundry or
> scrubbing the
> kitchen or kneading the day's bread dough. When I sat down to
> play computer,
> nothing was being improved. The kitchen wasn't getting clean;
> the laundry
> was not folding itself.
> While I don't think there's anything wrong with recreational
> activities,
> (how much laundry is being folded while I read, e.g.) I do
> think letting the
> brain mull something over while doing some useful
> thing...maybe not even
> useful, but maybe taking a walk (another of my favorite
> "thinking things
> over" venues) or practicing piano or calligraphy.
> See the difference? If I had chosen to let my subconscious
> ruminate on
> whatever it was, while...swimming! running the vacuum! taking a walk!
> playing with clay! perfecting the third movement of Maple
> Leaf Rag on the
> piano! mopping the bathroom floors! washing the windows!
> combing the dog!
> patching my husband's jeans! cleaning out the fridge! baking
> a batch of
> ginger snaps! pulling weeds! making a candle shelter! cutting out
> snowflakes! writing a letter!
> the list goes on, of productive, interesting, useful, things to DO.
> Physically oriented things that get something accomplished WHILE the
> brainwork is chugging away subconsciously.
> so, my earlier post about Frogger and brainstorming...well,
> there are so
> many more useful things that need doing, and the brain can
> still storm.
> Frogger seems wasteful in that light.
> peace, Heidi
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