Re: [Discuss-sudbury-model] SVS=Elite? AND Urban Students

From: David Rovner <rovners_at_netvision.net.il>
Date: Wed Dec 4 15:14:01 2002

regretting it or not regretting it, you cannot do nothing about it anyway --
it passed away already!!

~ David

----- Original Message -----
From: "Victoria Serda" <vserda_at_sympatico.ca>
To: <discuss-sudbury-model_at_sudval.org>
Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 9:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Discuss-sudbury-model] SVS=Elite? AND Urban Students

> Dear Joe,
> I understand that the bias comes from experience, but I still think it is
> important to minimize prejudices or "postjudices".
> If so many staff have regretted their time in post-graduate work, then why
> have so many SVS graduates gone on to post-secondary education? Do you
think
> they had assigned some value to it? Perhaps the problem with the staff
> regretting their university work is that they did not have the freedom as
> youth to explore their interests and make a wise judgment for themselves
> that would justify their time. If this is true, the general "postjudice"
> that you make assumes that people usually made an error in choosing their
> course of study and thus will regret it. However, this is not true in all
> cases, and should not be judged that way.
> Victoria
>
> Joe Jackson wrote:
>
> > Hey Victoria.
> >
> > The origins of this bias is a result of common experiences: it is a
> > commonly heard and understood theme among Sudbury Model staff that those
> > with formal education (I think many SudStaff have education degrees) end
> > up having to "unlearn" most of what they learn in school. Many end up
> > regretting the time the spent in college.
> >
> > It's not a "prejudice"; it's more of a "postjudice". Nobody is telling
> > you what's right for you; just what we have learned about ourselves.
> > You can take it or leave it; you have to figure out what the right thing
> > is for you. But I hardly think that people on a list serve relating
> > their experiences and opinions to the group amounts to "prejudicing"
> > you, as if someone is actively trying to brainwash you or something.
> > You're the one who is seeking the opinions of others here, right?
> >
> > -joe
> >
> > > Hello there everyone,
> > > I would like to mention that I notice a prejudice against
> > > formal education in this letter and in many assumptions that
> > > I have seen in this discussion group. Although you will
> > > assume that I have a bias because I am a university student,
> > > I understand both sides of the fence for I did not originally
> > > pursue a post-secondary education because of my disbelief in
> > > the authoritarian structure of the university and the elite
> > > status of degrees. However, just as some of the founders of
> > > SVS having post-graduate degrees helped their credibility, so
> > > a degree may help someone else to help children in the way
> > > they wish. I don't know how anyone can judge what should be
> > > of value to someone else. Each person finds a concept like
> > > these self-directed schools at different times in their
> > > lifespan, and prejudicing yourself against someone who made a
> > > different life choice is hardly worthwhile. Everyone has a
> > > different level of tolerance in how much they can do without
> > > financial compensation, and after years of being in debt and
> > > scrounging for money to pursue humanitarian goals, either as
> > > a teacher at an SVS school or a university student, everyone
> > > can only make a decision about their own self. If it is not
> > > practically possible to pay someone for their labour
> > > sometimes, then as long as there is a goal to do so, let the
> > > people make the choices they wish. I hope the idea mentionned
> > > in one email is true, that there may be a teacher training
> > > program that pays. However, as this certainly is not true at
> > > all SVS school, some people may not be able to make the
> > > financial sacrifice because of restraints, and this situation
> > > may prejudice their being able to participate at the level
> > > they would choose. Imagine three examples: a graduate,
> > > finally looking forward to some compensation for many years
> > > of hard work; a teacher at an SVS school, looking forward to
> > > the compensation for many years of trying to start a school;
> > > a person interested in teaching at an SVS school who does not
> > > have the financial ability to volunteer. All are admirable.
> > > All should ideally be compensated for their work. Victoria
> > >
> > > Evfocus_at_aol.com wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Everyone,
> > > > I am not sure anyone who believes that Graduate school is
> > > worth going
> > > > into debt for but being a staff person a an SVS school is not. I
> > > > believe what I have learned in the three years I have had
> > > my daughters
> > > > at Diablo Valley to be my valuble most education so far. I never be
> > > > grudge one cent of the money I spend for this experience.
> > > I would not
> > > > trade it for a Harvard graduate education.
> > > >
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