Re: [Discuss-sudbury-model] Schools in Canada

From: Victoria Serda <>
Date: Sun Dec 1 23:46:00 2002

Well, Joe, you have flabbergasted me! I guess when we have one of the
biggest countries in the world with so little population, it could
appear that we have many similar schools, but when you know Canada, you
also understand that there are many less private or alternative schools
here, and so the public school verses private school ratio I'm sure
would be much less. And you can see, I am listed as the contact for one
of the start up groups, and have started two schools in two years in
different places within a half hour driving distance with no success,
but i keep trying!
I hope things change here, as around the world.
Thanks for your perspective, it gave my a laugh, ;-)

Joe Jackson wrote:

> Kristina,Here are two operating Sudbury Schools in Canada:The
> Fairfield School65 Highland Avenue
> Wolfville, Nova Scotia B4P 1Z5
> PH 902/542-0548
> e-mail:
> WWW : Indigo Sudbury Campus11342-127
> Street
> Edmonton, Alberta, T5M 0T8
> e-mail:
> WWW: And here are two schools in
> the starup phase: The Beach School
> 25 Selwood Ave.
> Toronto, Ontario
> Canada
> Phone: (416) 693-3014
> Email:
> Web: Grey-Bruce Independent School
> c/o Victoria Serda
> P.O. Box 1724
> Southampton, Ontario
> Canada N0H 2L0
> Phone: (519) 797-2450
> Email: And then here are a couple of schools that,
> while they do not call themselves Sudbury Schools, seem to have few
> differences with a Sudbury Model school: Banyan Tree UnSchool
> 130 Centre Street
> London, Ontario
> Canada N6J 1T5
> Phone: (519) 433-3756
> Fax: (519) 434-7930
> Email:
> Web: Windsor House School
> 440 Hendry Avenue
> North Vancouver, B.C.
> Canada V7L 4C5
> Phone: (604) 903-3366
> Fax: (604) 903-3367
> Email:
> Web: Counting all of these, Canada = 1 Sudbury school for
> every 516,666 peopleUsing the same criteria for schools in the
> U.S.:U.S. = 1 Sudbury school for every 8,928,571 peopleRegarding
> controls on public schools in Canada, pretty much the same situation
> in the US. But take the queen's coin and play the queen's tune, no?
> Which is why we are private...Nice hearing from you - joe
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
> [] On Behalf Of
> Kristina Maus
> Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2002 12:01 PM
> To:
> Subject: RE: [Discuss-sudbury-model] Complexity
> Interpretation...
> Joe Jackson wrote: Can you speak more about the new tight
> controls on schools in Canada? I find that interesting as
> Canada seems to be the country wherein the Sudbury model is
> by far having the most per capita success.Hi Joe.I am a long
> time lurker on this discussion group, an artist, a
> farm-wife, mother and grandmother, and a part-time public
> school elementary art teacher in Ontario, Canada. I am
> very supportive of the Sudbury philosophy, but to this point
> in my life and in the rural area where I live, there isn't a
> school in operation that I can become involved in and the
> one that was attempted here did not succeed, much to my
> disappointment. Anyway, I might be able to shed a little
> light on the curriculum controls in our Ontario schools.
> All "public" schools are compelled to follow a very strict
> and prescriptive curriculum, especially with respect to
> literacy and mathematics, and people here are currently
> teaching to the standardized tests administered in grades
> three, six, nine and ten. Many music and art programs are
> struggling, since getting those test scores up seem to be
> the main focus of our administrators. It's unfortunate for
> the children, certainly, and not much fun for the educators
> either. In terms of reading success, yes, probably more
> children are being successful achieving literacy earlier,
> but there is a high cost in terms of freedom and learning,
> and it's a poor trade, imho.Private schools, on the other
> hand, are not strictly regulated with respect to curriculum,
> and are basically free to do as they wish. This may change
> in the future, but I don't think that it will. Many private
> schools do follow the Ontario curriculum, but the choice, to
> this point in time, is up to the school. The thinking at
> present is that if the public is paying, the curriculum will
> be strictly adhered to. If you are paying privately, you can
> do much as you please. Of course, the trick is to attract
> enough interested committed people to make it fly. Not an
> easy task.I have a question. You wrote that Canada seems to
> be having more per capita success that other countries.
> Where are these schools located? Are they all in or near
> large urban areas? I have enjoyed following the discussion
> this last year. Thanks for the opportunity to look out of
> the box on a regular basis, and know that a better way does
> exist. I send angels on a regular basis to all of you
> working in Sudbury models and giving kids such an amazing
> opportunity! You are blessings.Have a great
> day!Kristina Maus
Received on Sun Dec 01 2002 - 23:45:32 EST

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