Re: [Discuss-sudbury-model] Complexity Interpretation...

From: Victoria Serda <>
Date: Sat Nov 30 16:45:01 2002

Dear David,
Yes, I do believe it is compromising. There is usually a compromise in
how much to have societal approval for an enterprise, for the more
societal approval, the more likely to have the ideas further spread. If
the community doesn't support your ideas, there will be more struggle to
exist and promulgate the ideas. The more energy it takes to exist, the
less energy is left over to pursue the dissemination of these ideals. I
think it is only natural, even when one believes in
non-authoritarianism, to want to circulate ideas that people may
possibly want to understand and consider. Therefore, each person or
group must find their own place to put their mark on the line graph of
following the ideals totally verses doing what is accepted in society.

David Rovner wrote:

> What do you mean by:>I think in this area, as in life, it is
> important to balance extremes.<Is that compromising? ~ David
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Victoria Serda
> To:
> Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 8:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [Discuss-sudbury-model] Complexity
> Interpretation...
> Dear Darren,
> I am just finishing up my thesis on something similar--how
> schools like SVS are optimal for learning and producing the
> kind of citizens that society needs. I also have experience
> starting an SVS-type school.
> I think in this area, as in life, it is important to balance
> extremes. It is not possible right now to have fully
> non-authoritarian structures, because society is
> authoritarian. Therefore, the goal should be to minimize
> coercion and maximize freedom. In order for a school to
> exist without being closed down by the government, it has to
> follow the rules.
> The end result of granting children a much healthier option
> must be balanced with the detriments to working in the
> current system.
> Victoria Serda
> Darren Stanley wrote:
> > Hello All! I am presently going through the numerous
> > stories and articles that I have on SVS - shaped mostly
> > through the writings found in the SVS books that are
> > available to anyojne through the SVS website. As part of
> > my PhD dissertation (in Education), I am attempting to
> > show/illuminate how "schools" might be healthier in how
> > they function, following the actions of SVS (as an example
> > of what might be possible). SVS strikes me as akin to a
> > deeply living, biological entity. Framed in this way, and
> > using what researchers and scholars from a diversity of
> > fields have had to say about complex systems, I wonder
> > what might *in principle* be present to help make SVS
> > *work*. It seems to me that there is plenty of diversity
> > present; interactions across many time/space scales (e.g.,
> > no restrictions on age/subject/interest level). The types
> > and strengths of interactions may bring forth a variety of
> > different/novel emergent events...and so on... In my work
> > in the non-profit health sector (another cap I wear), I
> > have an implicit understanding of what a "healthy"
> > organization might be like. From what I have read and
> > know about SVS and other related matters, SVS is IMHO the
> > epitomy of a healthy educational setting - speaking rather
> > broadly. Here are some questions I've been pondering...any
> > thoughts out there?!? The school seems to have this sort
> > of "self-organizing" feature to it: no authoritarian
> > leaders (leadership is shared/distributed?); no external
> > constraints? but can there be NO external constraints?
> > There are, of course, state regulations, but how or do
> > these regulations play out? Or might it be better said
> > that the school is "influenced" by state regulations? Is
> > influence the same as coercion? Sorry for all the
> > questions...I do have more tho', but I will stop there! On
> > another note...I don't know if Daniel Greenberg is on this
> > list, but I've recently read your/his essay on human
> > interest. What a remarkable piece. Not only did it help
> > to illuminate a completely new view of this phenomenon for
> > me, I have also shared it with my work colleague who has
> > in turn shared it with a number of other "dissatisfied
> > suburban housewives" (her words, not mine). In every
> > instance, everyone of these people "get it" and see how
> > traditioanl schooling works so hard to ignore and work
> > with the "interests" of others. thanks! Darren Darren
> > StanleyUniversity of Alberta, CanadaPlexus Institute,
> > Allentown,
Received on Sat Nov 30 2002 - 16:44:26 EST

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