Re: DSM: TCS (Taking Children Seriously): Non-coercive Schools?

From: Ardeshir Mehta, N.D. (
Date: Thu Mar 07 2002 - 18:52:06 EST

Hi David,

> You wrote:
> Can we conclude from what is said below, that David Deutsch is mistaken when he writes:
> " . . . I conclude, therefore, that the CLAIM is simply false, and that the school's regime,
> though it seems much more humane than a typical school, is nevertheless systematically
> coercive both in its overall constitution and in its detailed functioning." ? [What about
> Sudbury Valley? -- Why the Sudbury Valley School is not TCS
> ]

Yes, this is precisely what I was asking. David Deutsch has
ignored my attempts to elicit an answer from him.

Maybe David Schneider-Joseph will give us an answer, in
lieu of David Deutsch, who does not seem to want to

Ardeshir <>


> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Schneider-Joseph" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 8:19 AM
> Subject: Re: DSM: TCS (Taking Children Seriously): Non-coercive Schools?
> > As an SVS alumni, a proponent of the Sudbury model, and supporter of TCS
> > philosophy and member of the TCS community, I believe I can offer some
> > useful ideas to this discussion.
> >
> > 1) According to the TCS definition of coercion (which you can see at
> >, democracy is not
> > inherently coercive.It can be, and often is (even SVS democracy), but
> > doesn't have to be.If everyone's preference is to make decisions
> > *within* the framework of a democracy, then it is not necessarily
> > coercive if the democracy makes a decision that I disagree with.
> >
> > To explain this, I'll use an example:I like having money.I'd love to
> > have more money.But I also think stealing is wrong.Unless I am in
> > poverty, it is my preference that people who earned money legitimately
> > keep the money.If I make more money, I want to earn it.As another
> > example: I like playing chess.When I play chess, I try to win.But I
> > don't find it coercive when I lose.I love the learning experience and
> > I'd much rather lose within the rules of chess than win by any means
> > possible (including cheating).
> > ...


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