Re: DSM: students rights

From: Mimsy Sadofsky (mimsys@mediaone.net)
Date: Fri Jan 25 2002 - 17:42:59 EST


Anne, the good news is that 7 1/2 is not 8! Jesse won't go off campus
till he is ready; he is that kind of guy.
Mimsy

On Thu, 24 Jan 2002 08:57:44 -0500, you wrote:

>Hi all, Joe,
>
>I was not talking about following the Sudbury philosophy at home. That is a
>topic of its own, much differerent and more complicated. We have been there
>on this thread. I was referring to how "purely", or not, parents abide by
>the philosphy as regards the school. It's not only about intervening if
>there are perceived academic shortrcomings. Parents can "interfere" in many
>subtle ways with their chidlren's freedom at school. For example, I
>believe very strongly in the model and my kids' rights to choose what they
>want to do during their day. Can't say I believe a full 100% though. Last
>year Jesse stayed indoors all day, every day ; forgetting to eat and even to
>drink anything. He would come home very crabby, pale, and his body was
>getting flabby,etc. I could not help myself from talking about what he
>needs to do to take care of his body and began each day by reminding
>him-like, "It's a great day outside today. Get outside for some time
>today!" In spite of me, he is doing GREAT and is totally happy. ( Funny
>though, my input never seemed to make a difference last year. He did what he
>wanted anyway. This year he is outside all the time and asking me to pack
>more food!) I'm also not sure I want him going off campus when he turns 8.
>He is 7 1/2 now and I really don't think he is ready for that.
>
>I was simply questioning the black and white/ 100% or nothing mood (not
>really the right word, but I'm rushing and can't think of another) of the
>conversation.
>Cheers!
>Ann
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Joe Jackson" <shoeless@jazztbone.com>
>To: <discuss-sudbury-model@sudval.org>
>Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 10:48 PM
>Subject: RE: DSM: students rights
>
>
>> Hey, Ann.
>>
>> > The second question this discussion raises for me: Is it
>> > necessary to believe in and/or act on that belief only 100%
>> > for benefits to be gained? I don't think so.
>> >
>> > I imagine that there are very few, if any, students at
>> > Sudbury schools whose parents can follow the Sudbury
>> > philosophies 100% all the time. Yet great benefits are still
>> > reaped. Don't you think?
>>
>> Actually, I think the majority of parents, at least at Fairhaven, do not
>> attempt to intercede on any perceived shortcoming in their children's
>> scope or depth of academic development. But I'm not sure what you mean
>> by "follow the Sudbury philosophies", whether that means not intervening
>> with the tutoring or home schooling, or simply means not mimicking the
>> model at home.
>>
>> As to the former, while I think there are benefits to kids of using the
>> school as a home schooling drop-off center (as opposed to the socially
>> oppressive environment of a regular school), parental insistence on
>> tutoring or formal home schooling or other means of coerced academic
>> progress substantially degrades the student's experience at the school.
>>
>>
>> School then becomes an environment where the decompressing and
>> recuperation is not taking place in a limited period of time from
>> previous schooling experiences, but represents a standing shelter from
>> the coercive educational environment at home. This stunts the normal
>> development of the Sudbury learner to the point where I don't think
>> these parents belong in the school.
>>
>> However, if you mean applying the principles of Sudbury education in the
>> home, then certainly I agree that it is not necessary for the parent to
>> institute full-time democracy in order for their children to receive the
>> full benefit of what the school has to offer.
>>
>> -Joe Jackson
>>
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