RE: DSM: David Rovner's and Bruce Smith's recent posts on the Diploma

From: Joe Jackson (shoeless@jazztbone.com)
Date: Sun Dec 16 2001 - 09:28:43 EST


> If a Sudbury school wishes to enter into the process of
> awarding some of their alumni with diplomas, it can do that.
> If the school does this in such a way as to avoid actually
> passing the judgement that offering a diploma implies to the
> outside community, this seems to me a kind of fraud

This is about the seventeen-millionth I have heard a diploma offered
without giving the student a test called a "fraud", however it is
interesting to note that I have not heard once where and how the speaker
came under the impression that the use of the word "diploma" legally
means there was an external evaluation given.

I'm looking for information, but I feel like all I'm getting is people's
general impressions.

The following statement I made 6 days ago:

> It has been mentioned that there is an expectation when a
> person sees a diploma that the diploma was awarded as a
> result of tests. I will not argue that there are those who
> would make this assumption. There are also those who assume
> the word "school" automatically indicates bells and report
> cards. I question the idea that we should let the
> assumptions of some in our society decide for us what the
> word "diploma" means, much as I question them deciding what
> the word "school" means.
>
> But when our diploma clearly states that for which the
> diploma was awarded, I hardly think fraud can be alleged.

has not been addressed in a post. So what can be my conclusion when
folks continue to throw around the word "fraud" other than they simply
want to label a practice as criminal without discussion and move on. I
find this frustrating, and I find that I somewhat regret bringing it up.

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