RE: DSM: RE: http://www.sjcsf.edu

From: Connie Shaw (ordinary_person@msn.com)
Date: Tue Jun 19 2001 - 23:04:05 EDT


When were you there? Annapolis or Santa Fe? I was class of 70, Annapolis.

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From: owner-discuss-sudbury-model@sudval.org
[mailto:owner-discuss-sudbury-model@sudval.org]On Behalf Of Joseph Moore
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 8:05 AM
To: 'discuss-sudbury-model@sudval.org'
Subject: RE: DSM: RE: http://www.sjcsf.edu

Anne-Martine and I are both Johnnies. The basic connection is that St.
John's doesn't pretend that they're preparing students for a job or some
such nonsense, and they de-emphasize grades (they do grade, because graduate
schools want them, but in my day you had to go to the records person and ask
to see them, because they didn't automatically send anybody a copy). Very
few papers, and only one written test (reading knowledge of French). All
classes are a few people (15 -20) sitting around a table talking over
whatever it was that was to be studied for that class. No professors -
'tutors' are what they're called.

Anyway, after finding out that 1) all that bleating about 'preparing for the
job market' is pure b.s.; 2) lots of papers and tests don't have much to do
with learning; and 3) you don't have to assume the position of empty little
vessel to be filled by wizened master to learn - well, Sudbury starts to
look a lot less like a dangerous experiment and a lot more like common
sense.

Any other Johnnies founders or otherwise involved?

Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: MssKolleen@aol.com [mailto:MssKolleen@aol.com]
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 10:25 PM
To: discuss-sudbury-model@sudval.org
Subject: Re: DSM: RE: http://www.sjcsf.edu

In a message dated 6/19/01 12:29:13 AM, ordinary_person@msn.com writes:

<<Just curious about this posting. Is this a response to the thread about

Sudbury universities?>>

Indirectly.
After the discussion I remember someone mentioning this college from the SM
school in Santa Clara. After I finally looked at it, I thought it would be
worth mentioning here. I myself found the whole concept interesting - after
recovering a bit from the 'strict required courses' - yet I suppose if the
student CHOSE to go to that college, then the whole experience itself would
be 'Sudbury'.

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