DSM: kibbutzim

From: Alexander / Michiru Streater (uigui@oregano.ocn.ne.jp)
Date: Mon May 14 2001 - 01:43:59 EDT


Lets get it onto an new thread eh? ;-)

> Hi there everyone:
>
>
>
> Martin Wilke wrote:
>
> > David Rovner schrieb:
> > >
> > > Ardeshir Mehta wrote:
> > > >In Israel there are four main "movements" among
> > > >kibbutzim, all of which are founded on strict democratic
> > > >principles (for adults).
> > >
> > > Kibbutzim are not democratic -- as I understand
> > > democracy.
> > > Kibbutzim are based on Socialist Ideology, so they are lacking
> > > individual rights -- they just honor the majority decision
> > > aspect of democracy.
> > >
> > > David Rovner rovners@netvision.net.il
> >
> > I disagree. Socialism can be everything from libertarian to dictatorial,
> > as well as capitalism may or may not be democratic.
> > The right to property is not the only individual right. And each right
> > can only go as far as it doesn't infringe on other people's individual
> > rights or their possibilities to development.
> >
> > Martin Wilke
> > --
> > http://www.kraetzae.de
> > http://www.demokratische-schule.de
>
> I agree with Martin and disagree with David, here.
>
> But more pertinently, David's argument is *irrelevant* to the
> point that I was making: which is, that a kibbutz can still call
> itself a kibbutz while being different, to some extent, from
> many other kibbutzim.
>
> Similarly, I see no reason why a school cannot call itself a
> "Sudbury school" even if in *some* respects it is different
> from the one in Massachusetts.
>
> Of course there is a limit, beyond which it would be unreason-
> able to call it a "Sudbury school". But *some* differences
> can surely be permitted.
>
> Indeed *not* to permit differences would be to deny the very
> principles a Sudbury school stands for -- right?
>
> Best wishes,
>
>
>
> Ardeshir <http://homepage.mac.com/ardeshir/education.html>
>
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