Re[2]: DSM: On Hybrid schools . . . Our Trojon Horse?

From: David Rovner (
Date: Fri May 11 2001 - 05:07:10 EDT

Scott David Gray wrote:
>I do not believe that a "hybrid" Sudbury School is possible,
>any more than it is possible to be "a little" pregnant.

I agree with that.
I use to say:
Either you are pregnant or you are not.
You cannot be HALF PREGNANT.
Still many people talk about "the process of
democratization of a school" the same as they
talk for years about "The Peace Process":
One step forward, and two steps backward --
or in the best case a stalemate.
David Rovner

---------- Original Message ----------

>From: Scott David Gray <>
>Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 00:40:05 -0400 (EDT)
>Subject: Re: DSM: On Hybrid schools . . . Our Trojon Horse?

>The key to being a student in a Sudbury Model School is that
>you are trusted completely, with all the same rights and
>freedoms as the adults in the school (more, actually,
>because the staff are obligated to certain things by
>contract). The responsibility and sense of self exhibited
>by SVS students and alumni comes directly from living up to
>this total trust.

>You are not showing trust in a person when you create
>"safeguards" to prevent her/him from making the "wrong"
>choices. You are not putting faith in a person when you
>tell her/him that THESE hours are hers/his but not THOSE

>The very thing that has made Sudbury Schools succesful is
>the fact that the trust and freedom are COMPLETE. Anything
>less may be a good thing compared to a traditional school,
>in so far as the students are under that much less pressure.
>But students in such a school are missing out on _the_ vital
>aspect of a Sudbury education; true responsibility for

>I do not believe that a "hybrid" Sudbury School is possible,
>any more than it is possible to be "a little" pregnant.

>On Fri, 11 May 2001, Alexander / Michiru Streater wrote:

>> Dear Bill,
>> > Mimsy Sadofsky, in one of the tapes, fields the question as to whether
>> there
>> > could be a hybrid school, a school between what Sudbury Valley is and
>> what a
>> > traditional school is. My best answer is that no, they are really two
>> > different things (the 2d and the 3d). They are orthogonal.
>> A hybrid school. Is this one where:
>> a) some of the kids that attend belong to the "free" part of it while
>> the other half of the kids attend lessons as normal (and look out
>> of the window to see the others wasting their time on the grass
>> while they settle back into their chairs comfortable in the
>> knowledge that they will certainly "make it")
>> b) A regular school that provides more choice to it's students about
>> what they do during the day
>> ?
>> I think we can all agree that the first is un-workable.
>> But the second case I give a resounding Y-E-S . . . with provissions,
>> the main one being that the school allows itself to move further in
>> the direction (of, say, freedom, or back to traditional learning) as the
>> system evolves and shows itself to be workable.
>> Free schools frighten many people simply because they have no
>> idea how it can all work. Having a "all or nothing", "take it or leave it"
>> approach does nothing to bring the nervous on board.
>> A sliding approach needs to be provided. Interestingly enough, it is my
>> observation that the more extreme and regimented a school is, the
>> more easily, smoothly and successfully the school can be "converted"
>> Alexander Streater
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> Message to fellow teachers
>> Children learn inspite of us, not because of us!
>> ===========

>--Scott David Gray
>reply to:
>A person reveals his character by nothing so clearly as the
>joke he resents.

>-- G. C. Lichtenberg


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