Re: DSM: Re: RE: JC and SM

John Axtell (
Mon, 05 Mar 2001 09:47:40 -0800


I think problem solving is not an inward process it is an external process.
First no problem occurs unless there is external input. A PS is needed (ie. a
third party) who is skilled in conflict resolution, conflict both between
people and within oneself.

Punishment is defined by the person being punished. I know kids that spanking
was the highlight of their day because they were finally the center of
attention. Fear is not a very effective motivator but it may, in some cases, be
a good controller, or preventor of behavior.

John Axtell

"Walter Thiessen (Connweb)" wrote:

> > Third issue is that JC leaves the
> > problem solving totally to the "guilty" person. The bad feeling about
> > "doing something wrong" isn't enough, but the person will have to deal
> > it on his/her own.
> In general, I lean toward what Joe was saying, especially when he notes that
> problem solving is necessarily an inward process rather than an externally
> motivated process. I'm open to Marko's suggestion that there might be a
> better alternative to JC, although I don't know what that alternative is.
> But I must admit Marko's quote (above) about leaving problem solving to the
> guilty party confuses me greatly. Marko, are you actually proposing that
> when someone has such a problem that they violate someone else's rights, the
> responsibility for solving that problem resides with an outside third party?
> If so, how do you reconcile this with your belief that punishment is fear
> based ( a belief I think we all share, by the way ) ? Do you actually think
> that a third party can come up with an effective, binding, non-fear-based,
> non-punishment resolution to someone else's problem without undesirable,
> unintended consequences?

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