Ответ: DSM: An alternative teacher at a traditional school

Anna Babina (annababina@yandex.ru)
Thu, 21 Dec 2000 13:59:35 +0300

Hello, John.

I guess among the emigrants you know are people from Russia. So it's easier
for you to understand the conditions of work in my country.

I highly appreciate your idea that
>ANY effort made to
>show respect to others or to give support to some limited degree of freedom
>thought, students or adults, in any environment improves that environment.
Trying to do possible things doesn't mean giving up the ideal. I keep in my
mind what is the goal and I'm making steps towards it. Maybe another person
would do them bigger and quicker.


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От: John Axtell <newlife@theofficenet.com>
Кому: discuss-sudbury-model@aramis.sudval.org
Дата: 21 декабря 2000 г. 4:15
Тема: Re: DSM: An alternative teacher at a traditional school

>Dear Anna,
>Let me try to make my point clearer.
>I do not believe the public school system in the United States is a legal
>system. I took my kids out and had the police at my door twenty years ago.
>fought and won but the stakes were not all that high.
>However, I believe that most people would agree that a teacher who has
>experience as you do in an alternative environment who is working in a
>traditional school can offer things to students that teachers that have
>experienced your experience could not begin to give the students.
>I do not for a minute suppose that it is possible to implement a SV model
>your school without losing your job. BUT -- I believe that ANY effort made
>show respect to others or to give support to some limited degree of freedom
>thought, students or adults, in any environment improves that environment.
>I believe even in a concentration camp or in a jail it is possible to help
>those who find themselves in rather "un-free" situations to expand their
>prisons even if one can not free the captives.
>If there were not people like you in the "system" how would anyone in the
>system know that there was another "system" out there to even consider.
>In a perfect world you should be able to open up a free school in your
>community and not charge the students anything and students should be free
>study what they want. However, as you said if they do not do well on the
>they may well end up in the military.
>I know a lot of people in the United States that stayed in school, and did
>just to stay out of the military. They stayed in a system they did not like
>stay out of a system that they might well die in. So I guess it is a
>of personal preference, choosing to do well on tests or going into the
>military. From what I have learned about your military that is not the
choice I
>would want my children to make and would encourage them to do well in
>system exists that would allow them to gain additional education and a
>job than going into the military.
>When it comes to the life and death of my students I am very, very clear
>my support would be. Others on this list seem to think that it would be
>to change the thinking of the children to be free thinkers and let them
>whatever they want - to heck with the tests, the SV model, but not I.
>Your Friend,
>John Axtell
>Joe Jackson wrote:
>> Anna, as Mr. Axtell says, there are a couple of schools of thought about
>> efficacy of teachers attempting to institute bits and pieces of the
>> Model within a conventional classroom. I should also tell you that
>> educators who have worked in both environments will almost universally
>> that it is essentially impossible to reap the benefits of the Sudbury
>> in a conventional school environment.
>> Having said that, I do agree with Mr. Axtell's sentiments that yours is
>> certainly a culture living in a time, economy and political climate where
>> would be difficult to start a Sudbury Model school.
>> But in your opinion, would it be impossible?
>> -Joe Jackson
>> Fairhaven School
>> Upper Marlboro, MD

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