Re: DSM: RE: Simple solution

Robert Swanson (
Wed, 06 Dec 2000 22:56:17 -0800

Thank you for your comments. I do not disagree.
Would you care to guess the number and percent of students over age 6 who
take part in JC at least once a year each year they are present?


on 12/6/00 6:20 PM, at wrote:
>> It is interesting though... I recently heard a comment that we are a social
>> democracy and a political republic ("And to the republic for which it
>> stands, one nation...").
> We are definitely a Republic.
>> I suppose in some ways Sudbury too has appointed
>> people who take action in behalf of the community with no public vote taking
>> place on every action.
> This is true, although clerks normally carry our functions which
> have been defined by the SM. Thus, the clerk is not making
> decisions except within the provisions set by the SM. I see a
> Sudbury school still as a participatory democracy - nothing less.
>> The danger in a republic is when community people
>> loose touch with their responsibility to influence leadership.
> The danger arises when the community people can no longer
> influence leadership. Look at our country now. There are a lot of
> "community people" who have felt ignored by the government for
> decades. It is now coming to a head (well, a small head). What
> influences our country now is lobbyists, money, and the Corporate
> back-pat.
>> A person may
>> loose interest, become ignorant, never be informed, feel helpless, or have a
>> belief that there is a lack of communication, finances or time to be a
>> contributor. When the individual is not responsible for direction and
>> change, he must be a pawn of status quo. What is so simply is what is so. As
>> Paul Harvey says, "There can be no democracy without responsibility". And
>> thus are we destroying the ecology of the planet, and we elect liars as
>> presidents. "Them" is not at fault, it is us and our status quo.
> I disagree. We may have been the ones to allow the situation to
> get here, but plenty of pour past President's recognized the
> growing power of the Corporation (Lincoln, Wilson, Jefferson), and
> yet did nothing to rectify the situation. We have let it get there
> because we have placed too much faith on our leaders who have
> sold us out.
>> The students often seem to say they have little
>> interest in or involvement with or understanding of the JC for most of the
>> time they are a student there.
> This is a strange thing to me. Although most students at Cascade
> Valley have a difficult time understanding JC at first, they soon
> become very savvy at its workings. Some even attempt to
> manipulate it!
> In Solidarity,
> Seamus
> Seamus Mulryan
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> We may congratulate ourselves that this cruel war is nearing its end. It
> has cost a vast amount of treasure and blood ... It has indeed been a
> trying hour for the Republic; but I see in the near future a crisis
> approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my
> country. As a result of the war, corporations have been enthroned and an
> era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the
> country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of
> the
> people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is
> destroyed. I feel at this moment more anxiety for the safety of my
> countrythan ever before, even in the midst of war. God grant that my
> suspicions may prove groundless."
> -- Abraham Lincoln Nov. 21 1864 letter to
> Col. William F. Elkins
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