DSM: Rick agrees with Dawn

Dawn F. Harkness (dawn@harkness.net)
Sun, 19 Nov 2000 17:45:41 -0500

Hmm. Interesting post Rick. I'm glad to know that on the substantive
issues, we are on the same page. Of course, I just need to take exception
with a few minor points. (Now there's a surprise! Head for the hills folks
if you feel the need.) You have just got to snap out of leaping to
incorrect assumptions. I am neither a city nor country kind of girl. My
varied experiences have taught me that when a girl hears those noises it is
more likely to be the sound of dogs than anything else. If that was your
way of complimenting me by comparing me to wildlife, I am sorry I missed it.
It sure seemed like an insult to me. I know I didn't have a cute little
piggy in mind when I was talking about you. I definitely meant to convey the
image of a good old fashioned chauvinist pig, in case you missed it. But
you are amusing, and I don't want to stay annoyed with you, so I will reach
out to accept the goodwill you have extended and hope we can move on to
debating the issues and not the personalities. But as much as you feel my
"warrior" approach fails in some situations, I would point out that your
jokes can only work if they are funny and and appropriate for the time and

-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Stansberger <rickstan@zianet.com>
To: discuss-sudbury-model@aramis.sudval.org
Date: Sunday, November 19, 2000 3:42 PM
Subject: Re: DSM: I agree with Rick

>I don't disagree with Dawn on what really matters. I just make gentle fun
>those who put on the war paint where I would find it counterproductive.
>Revolutions need all kinds of folks: tooth-grinding warriors, spies,
>marketeers, mediators, traders and tricksters.
>Btw, I can tell Dawn's a city girl. She assumed that dogs are the only
>that growl. What about mountain lions and bears? (Birds in their own way
>growl -- making deep sounds to warn enemies.) Would you be insulted to be
>compared to a lion or a bear, Dawn? I myself would be honored.
>Dawn called me a pig (another fine animal I don't mind being compared to)
>then said something like if I wanted to waste my time trying to persuade
>ignorant, that was fine with her. In her own way she was acknowledging
>we're on the same side. We're expressing preferences. I couldn't do her
job as
>well as she, and likely vice versa. We're both passionate people. She's
>passionately assertive, I'm passionately indirect. In the Chinese
>system, she's metal and I'm water.
>I never said her warrior ways were totally inappropriate. I just think
>won't work with people of good will who might join up once they understood.
>Tradschools are evil. They maim kids AND the adults who work in them. But
as I
>said before, if they all burned down tonight, tomorrow people would start
>rebuilding them because the vast majority of them still don't know a thing
>the Sudbury model, and of the ones who do, the vast majority (imho) don't
>it. The idea's "out there" all right, and there's a lot of persuading yet
to be
>Evfocus@aol.com wrote:
>> Dawn,
>> I find little value in your tirades, its not a discussion when someone
>> you their opinions and is not open to yours.
>> Evelyn
>"Weirdness abounds and shatters our illusion of order. Heh-heh. All the
>dust is being blown out from under the carpet. Wonderful stuff!"
> Wanda Hamilton-Quinn

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